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paul-scream22

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Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 12:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I have mumerous 3D films on NTSC VHS and would like to capture them on my PC (so I can convert them to VCD/DVD digital format), but all I get is a perfect flat 2D image of the movie.
I have :
ATI ALL IN WONDER TV CAPTURE CARD
ULEAD MEDIASTUDIO PRO
ULEAD VIDEO STUDIO 6
ADOBE PREMIER 5

I would appreciate your help in this matter even if it's just to tell me it can't be done. Either email me or leave a post.

Thanks for your time
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Larry Elie

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Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 2:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Yes, you can do it.

Yes, I have.

Yes, you have all the tools necessary (assuming the MediaStudio Pro is version 6.5... 6.0 might work too but I haven't tried it)

First off, you need to capture interlaced. I'm assuming you want something more than just a monster AVI. With what you have, this means make a MPEG II in the computer, or better yet, a standard SVCD (Super VidioCD) for use in the computer or one of many DVD players. If you have not done this, I suggest you go to http://www.vcdhelp.com and read a bit. They don't talk about 3D, but anything you read about interlaced (SVCD or XVCD) will work. It would help to make a flat SVCD first to get some confidance.

The All In Wonder Card is not my first choice for this (depends on which model) but depending on the computer, you should capture at 720x480 30 frames (60 fields) per second as an AVI. Some ATI's don't do the job; I couldn't get a TVWonder to captuer interlaced at these rates. Also, the ATI settings change. Some cards can capture directly in the Ulead Video Capture. The file will be BIG; about 2Gb/10 minutes of film. Your computer better not be doing anything else. If you drop more than 2% frames at these settings, you are out of luck; the ATI cards do MPEG1 (VCD) native which saves tons of space, but MPEG1 is NOT interlaced; you can't do 3D in MPEG1 (VCD). If the ATI card doesn't do the trick, find another card; they aren't that expensive. I do my best capture (mostly flat) using a DV card. Try to stay analog if you are coming from tape for artifacting issues. Again, you need a fast (500 MHz++, 1G is better) machine, a big 5600 or better yet 7200 RPM drive, and so on. You might try a flat VCD in MPEG1 just for the experience if you can't capture MPEGII.

Assuming you can capture at these rates, you can open Media Studio 6.5 Editor, drag in the AVI's, and create video file, setting it for NTSC SVCD at 480x480 when you open the editor. Save to NTSC SVCD, and set it to VBR (Variable Bit Rate) to improve quality. If you are planning on using this in a stand-alone DVD player (not just a computer) check the max bit rate; standard SVCD is 2048 k bits/sec. My Apex 600A will not accept greater than 1700 k bits/sec. JVC is about 1850. Some go to 4500. 1700 looks pretty good flat or 3D; close to DVD if the file was DV or DVD to start with. I can get about 55-60 minutes of good video on a 80 minute CD. I'm looking for a good 99 minute recorder (but then I want DVD read in the same box-- greedy, aren't I?).

Let the editor create the MPEGII. A 1.7 GHz P4 takes about 2 to 3 hours to convert each hour of AVI. You can work on other things while this is working in the background, or let it run over-night. Save the file.

If you have the DVD Plug-in for MediaStudio, choose export SVCD and set up the titles. This is a pretty neat feature. Burn the CD from the plug-in. If you don't have the plug-in, you can download a 30 day trial. It's worth it; it's slicker than NERO or DVD-IT! There's also a Movie-Maker Plug-in, really slick, but I haven't tried it.

It all works. You can run the MPEGII from any program in the computer that knows what a MPEGII is, which leaves MediaPlayer OUT; you can't do MPEGII in MediaPlayer. I don't know what your 3D program is. It WILL run on a DVD player (assuming yours does SVCD) with shutter glasses.

I have Premere 5 & 6, and neither do it as easily flat as MediaStudioPro 6.5. I have tried neither the Premere's in 3D.

Larry Elie
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Carlos Tavares

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Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 5:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

See info for capture at vrstandard:
I captture with Asus3800 DELUXE, no drop frames at 720x480 30 frames or 640x480 with 3d.
but i did not try make a VCD yet, houever can se te capture avi in 3D. http://www.vrstandard.com/3dmovie/faq.htm
and
http://www.vrstandard.com/3dmovie/samples.htm
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Matthew

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Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 2:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I'm trying the same method with a similar setup. I'd ultimately like to view these on my computer but possibly save them to disc as well. I'm using the ATI All-in-Wonder 8500V card. I've captured video but am stuck at this point and not sure what to do next so I guess this is where the questions begin:
-I'm sure I've gotten the video interlaced properly (certainly looks like it is) but I've been reading that if it's not at 30 fps 3D won't work. I can get the AVI at 720x480 but the frame rate is only at 29.97 fps through the ATI card. Will stereo still work?
-If it is captured properly, what should my next step be to see this in 3D? I know software is needed but not sure on what's the most trouble-free to use.
-Finally, what kind of player will I need to see the video in stereo?

Sorry for all the beginner questions but I'm very interested in getting this to work and would be very appreciative for any help available. Thanks in advance.
-Matt
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 12:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I can get the AVI at 720x480 but the frame rate is only at 29.97 fps through the ATI card?

Yes is OK.

what kind of player will I need to see the video in stereo?

Use Michel Husack from www.Win3d.com is just fine
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xiaNaix

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Posted on Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 4:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I'm using the Pinnacle Studio Deluxe card. It captures analog video as 720x480 DV format AVI. I haven't had any problems capturing my 3D stuff from VHS. I encoded to MPEG with CinemaCraft SP and DVDMaestro to author a DVD-R.

If you're looking at new capture cards, I can't really recommend the Pinnacle, though. They're known for being a major pain in the ass. I'll probably be replacing the SDL with a Canopus ADVC-100 soon.

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