| Author | Message | ||
     Luis Zapata Rating: N/A |
I can't wait to see what's it all about. The specs, the prices, etc. Please give up some info, we need it. Thanks | ||
| Neil Axe Rating: N/A |
Or even the ICE Communicator. Especially the monocular version! When will this thing be available? I think they are probably focusing on getting the ICE Communicator product out first, which will most likely delay the x-viewer. | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
Hi Guys, ICE is almost ready. We have been showing pre-production units at trade shows for about 3 months and the response has been great. We will be shipping to our first customers in Sept/Oct. Mostly Military/Industrial customers with ICE to start with. Price on the Monocular is $1795.00 to start. And you hit the nail on the head Neil, we are working hard on ICE at this point. X-Viewer is taking a back seat for a while. Shouldn't be delayed all that much. Steve | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Just another 3 years or so...... | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Delays....Delays....Delays!!! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve- What does "Shouldn't be delayed all that much" mean? Can you give us a ball park time frame? Thanks -Kevin | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
My guess is mid next year at this point. Steve | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Yeah pigs fly and dogs meow too  | ||
| fd Rating: N/A |
Steve, does the x-viewer only exist on paper or are there already some prototypes? | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
The core technology (ie displays, lens, electronics, tracker) is essentially complete. Sorry I can't say too much more about the development at this point. Steve | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I can understand you not saying much about a product that does not exist. That is the first honest thing you have had to say on this board. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve, Please don't get discouraged from posting on this forum. A lot of us are interested in what IIS has to say or announce... whether that information is "sales speak" or not. There are SOME of us who understand market realities - how products are announced (yes, usually too early), how some products get delayed, how some end up subliming into vapor. Engineers have to understand and recognize their symbiosis with the guys bringing in the sales. Lots of products get announced (even by companies that have poor track records), but usually those salespeople aren't called liars for doing so. Someone needs to apologize here for the FEW others who are bringing in all this negative karma. ("Mr. Vapor" probably still lurks here.) | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Speak for yourself, I think most intelligent people here see that IIS is full of hot air and just simply know better than to believe anything they have to say. | ||
| Neil Axe Rating: N/A |
Than call me dumb cuz "me want know X-vuwer". | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Anonymous: No, YOU speak for yourself. If you don't like Steve's, IIS's, or anyone else's posts, then don't read them. That's your prerogative. However, if YOU take it upon YOURSELF to dissuade Steve, IIS, or anyone else from posting here, and as a result they don't post, then you have imposed your will and your will alone upon EVERYONE else on this board. Thus you alone might limit the availability of any number of future posts, especially to others who ARE interested in them. Yet you have the nerve to say "Speak for yourself"! (and in such a properly punctuated manner!) Rethink your statement about "most intelligent people here" and how silly it is. If we are so intelligent, then Steve can say anything he wants and if it is indeed hot air, we'll all have enough sense to immediately disregard it - hence no damage is done. I'd prefer make up my mind for MYSELF, thank you. :-( | ||
| Scotty Rating: N/A |
I'm new to this VR thang - had revelators a couple of years now but I wnated to find out about HMD. You know what I found trying to search for VR, HMD and general 3d equipment on the internet? NOT A LOT! I found my way to a very select few manufacturers and precious few distributors from this site and stereo.net. And how many forums did I find? Let alone a forum where a manufacturer was prepared to input and listen to a part of his market sector????? Anonymous - Say what you like - actually you already do that from what I can see - but irrespective, IIS has a place in the consumer VR history books. No the VFX products aren't competitive now but then neither's a ZX spectrum!! Technology will always march on relentlessly - unfortunately there are scarce few companies who will look to do something new and innovatory with it. I was very dissapointed to find the VR market in such a state - it's almost like it's been a passing fad so far. The last 'VR' product I remember hearing about in the 'real' world (without seeking it out in specialist mags or on the internet) was Nintendos Virtual Boy - and look what happened to that despite having a gaming giant behind it!!! Encouragement and constructive feedback is required I think. | ||
| Andy Rating: N/A |
I think that VR will remain an industrial and enthusiasts niche market until the costs come WAY down. After all, when a headset costs far more than an xbox and as much as many PCs, it's a hard purchase for your average games player to justify (and who else in the consumer market wants VR?). I think that IIS are taking the right approach, trying to produce a more affordable headset, and deserve encouragement. If they can get it down near the cost of a high-end graphics card, we may see this field take off. Whether they can sell to console owners at this price remains to be seen. P.S. Repeating my (unanswered) question from another thread, would it be possible to wear the X-Viewer over spectacles? | ||
| Manuel Rating: N/A |
If thats all... what else option we have, a la vfx3d or the xviewer. Im loking for a hmd stereo, 640*480 or higher and a better price. (a easy target ;) ...). For 3d design, aplications and games. not too much what about the new iglasses or other stuff...and by the way, who build these things, i mean, who build the components and all the things. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Wow i just stumbled accross this topic.. it looks pretty dead.. but here goes anyway.. its almost "mid next year" according to Steve.. do we have an info or progress on the x-viewer? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Maybe they've been too busy on this: http://vsd.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=19&ARTICLE_ID=171216 | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Browsing the web for consumer/hobbyist VR options is still pretty much a wasteland. I've reviewed Sony's Glasstron, IO Display System's I-Glasses SVGA, and Trivisio's VRscope HMD, and they all provide damn little bang for the buck. Regardless of their claims, they all look like a thirteen-inch monitor a yard away at best. This is what, a 1993 standard at >3x the price of a 2004 flatpanel? Which is to say, absolutely none of them can manage even a readable 80x24 terminal window that doesn't cause extreme eyestrain after only a few minutes. Any contemporary HMD has to provide what people expect as the absolute desktop minimum circa january 2004. That's an 800x600x32 virtual 17" screen at 2' or less, watchable for an entire 8 hour day, at no greater than 3x the highest cost of an equivalent desktop display. And frankly, you won't get serious market share until you can do 1024x768 and power off a USB port instead of a wall outlet. I think IIS realizes they can't do this yet, and is wisely not releasing a product that will tank instantly. That's ok, guys. I've been waiting for twenty years, I suppose I'll wait another twenty if it means getting it right... but the bar keeps getting raised, you got to try for it sometime or just get out of the market. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
What did you wait twenty years ago? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I probably shouldn't add my comments here but for those of you that are new to the game I would be remiss if I didn't. I was very excited about the new technology that was going to be available for the pre-Christmas sales rush. I posted here stating " I have $1500 earmarked for the new HMD with headtracking". Steve's reply was "$1500 is great if you want three of them". I was pleased as punch. That was two years ago. Fast foward to the present. Steve is stating that a monocular display will be available mid next year for the cost of $1800 +-. That's $300 more than what he implied would be the cost of 3 of the stereo version with head tracking. Two years ago IIS had a working prototype of the Stereoscopic HMD. Today it's a paper presentation. Please trust me when I say I'm not trying to rain on the parade of those that dream of what Steve has been making veiled promises about for the past several years. I just want you to be prepared for a gross disappointment. Steve has repeatedly lied to me point blank. Both in this forum and in personal E-mails. I for one believe that the Gamer/consumer stereoscopic HMD will come from the Nvidia camp. There is too much effort being afforded their stereo drivers and the dual head stereo capabilities of their video card for them not to have a plan. It probably won't be until the HMD resolution reaches 1024x768 with a wide FOV. The way things are going with the new OLED technology my guess would be before christmas '06. The above statements are my own and I accept sole responsiblity for them. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Has anyone ever SEEN a product designed and manufactured by IISVR other than the VFX3D??? Hell, Has anyone ever even see a PICTURE of a product designed and manufactured by IISVR other than the VFX3D? Last question. Did IISVR actually design and manufacture the VFX3D or did they buy the rights after the fact? | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
Unless you are active military, chances are you have not seen a product manufactured by IIS in the last couple of years. The only product we have had out for consumers was the Second Sight monocular HMD. Based on the nature of our military business, we do not put out press releases on products we are involved in, but here is one from our local congressman that might appease the non-believers. http://www.house.gov/reynolds/june22a-2004.htm Yes we did manufacture the VFX3D, as most of you know the lens and display package was from i-glasses. As of last week, I was told we are scheduled to have product in the fall of the year. A new version of Second Sight will also be available. Our monocular display sells for $999, I have no idea where $1800 comes from. I kind of resent the lie comment, I try to give the best information to this board based on the information available to me. I am as frustrated as you are by the continued delays in the product, it is unfortunately a business reality sometimes. For instance, I have been waiting since last summer for Half Life II to come out. For those of you with an interest in learning about what displays are actually available or coming down the road, try reading www.mdreport.com. There is no such thing as an XGA OLED, nor is one in development. Lastly, for anyone interested in seeing any of our binocular systems, I would be happy to demo them, under non-disclosure. Steve@IIS | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I stand corrected. The $1800 amount came from your post concerning the ICE. I'm unfamilar with ICE as it's not for sale ANYWHERE. The only reference to it I could find was a press blurb on your website dated 5/23/01. That was over three years ago. I may also stand corrected concerning the VFX3D. I do have a couple of questions though. 1. Why are there no actual purchasable products listed on your website? 2. If you've been designing and manufacturing systems for the government why is there no mention of your company's contract awards listed in the DoD's public contractor records? 3. If your a DoD contractor then why do you need your local district representative to take the first step to secure a paultry $3M for the first phase of development of a new system. The fact that your already a DoD contractor wuold make this step an unnecessary waste of time. 4. If IISVR designed and manufactured the VFX3D then who is Forte? I was a AH-1H Huey and AH-1W Cobra helicopter mechanic for Uncle Sam. I'm intimately familiar with their weaponry electronics. I never saw anything from IIS on any of my birds. I have friends that are still military helicopter and F-16 mechanics. None of then have ever heard of IISVR either. Tell me what weapons you manufacture parts for so I can have them confirm your assertions. I look foward to clarification of the above mentioned points. One last question. What is your DoD contractor designation ID? John | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
John, Drop me an email or phone call and I would be happy to point you in the right direction, then you can choose whether or not to relay the info to the rest of the board. You may also be interested in the new job we just posted, with your extensive military background. Call me. Steve@IIS | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve, I ask some simple questions that would be a matter of DoD public record and you want to go on the QT. Then you offer me a job with a little smoke blowin' thrown in. Thank you but I have a very fulfilling career. As for the questions concerning your DoD contracts and the company Forte. Your lack of answers speaks volumes. I don't know who you are but the game your playing with these poor souls is cruel. If you want to be part of the community then fine, your welcome to join in. Just please stop the smoke blowing. After all these years it's gotten kind of old. Sincerely, John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Damn John - Chill | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
Jeez John, lighten up, I was making a little joke. In regards to your above questions: 1. 90% of our business today is custom solutions, ergo no standard products available until later this year. 2. I never said we were a prime contractor, which means we would only be listed if the Prime decided to announce who was making their back end display modules that go into their finished products. 3. No one gets funding contracts unless they have government backing for their programs. If this wasn't the case all of the lobbyists would be out of business. 4. Forte designed the VFX1, reorganized in 1997, and IIS purchased the assets later that year. IIS launched the VFX3D in 2000. 5. IIS has never built or designed anything that went inside a Huey or any other chopper that I know of, our night vision and thermal products are rifle mounted, helmet mounted or handheld. None are used by pilots. 6 Our CAGE code is 1X0E0 Within a month we will have images of the new HMD up on the web for everyone to rip apart. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
So you say within July or the first of September of this year we will see images of this new HMD? Is this another empty promise? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Thank you for your answers Steve. I hope you can understand my reluctance to believe your product development information. I checked and it was 3 years ago (not 2 years) that you informed me both on this forum and in private E-mail that the X-viewer would be available before Christmas '01. I think pictures of an HMD from your company would not be worthy of comment. You've had a picture of the X-viewer up for who knows how long now. You want to WOW us? send a pre-production unit to tomshardware.com or anandtech.com next month. Let them try it out under a non-disclosure contract as all the major computer component manufacturer's do. Basically, put up or shut up. I'll pass your cage code on to a friend of mine who's "in the know" and see what he digs up. till then. John | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
Unfortunatley that is not going to happen. We have scheduled press/review meetings already and they will not be starting until SIGGRAPH in August. So I guess, I will just have to shut up! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve, you dont have to shut up. I would still like to hear updates about the x-viewer. Its just that people are getting ansy awaiting for some pictures or info/specs on it, myself included. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The X-viewer will never happen. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
4 years is more than getting "antsy" | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
How bout those pictures Steve???? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Everyone, it really doesn't matter anymore.. If the company has picture today or it releases it tomorrow.. What it's capable of doing is nothing we gonna be happy with. A price range of $500 or so with 3DEG tracking and is stereo, it's not gonna be immersive or any bigger of the i-glasses per FOV.. We all know a price around $2,000 would be great with a good FOV and highres with no blurryness... The glasses, not a helmet is not gonna be anything inclosed like the good old VFX days.. SO really I think there shouldn't be anymore badmouthing or asking where is it for this like all the other cheap glasses coming out that you'll end up having to mod to get something cool.. Stick with your 3d projectors like everyone is ranting about or the frensel lens.. Steve I wouldn't even bother throwing in a discussion... Peace Uknow WHO | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Ah well, it shouldn't be THAT hard to swap out the lcd module in the iglasses [it just snaps in place] for one with a larger FOV. it's that simple | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
They better get on it or their product will be obselete before it hits the market. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Looks like another empty promise from Steve. It's been over a month and no pictures!! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Was IIS at SIGGRAPH 2004? I didn't see them listed on the SIGGRAPH website. What do you suppose Steve's game plan is in stringing us along for so long with the x-viewer. I mean there seems to be no point in these continuing lies. Steve give it up and announce that there will be no x-viewer ever. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Holy Cow, this guy John sure is a prick! | ||
| John Jones Rating: N/A |
Steve@iis says following "There is no such thing as an XGA OLED, nor is one in development" Then I find this : Only two weeks after demonstrating a tiled UXGA display (1600x3x1200 pixels), eMagin has doubled the resolution (1600x3x2400 pixels) to create the world's highest resolution OLED display and highest resolution microdisplay. This accomplishment further validates the use of eMagin's bundled fiber optic elements to provide custom video sizes and resolutions. At AUSA, eMagin is showing a display configuration that comprises two UXGA displays bundled in a near seamless manner. The display is being shown in a full-color triad, double-UGXA format, dubbed "DUXGA." The fiber optic effectively magnifies the image and brings the new image up to the new surface plane of the fiber optic, minimizing tiling borders for the effect of an extremely large resolution display. The new DUXGA display provides over 16 million colors, ultra-high speed flicker free imaging, stereovision capability, and almost all of the other attributes of eMagin's smaller OLED microdisplays. | ||
| Steve@Icuiti Rating: N/A |
Yep you caught me John, 6 months after I said it wouldn't happen. I stand corrected. Maybe this statement would have been more appropriate, it will be a long time before you see a UXGA display in a consumer priced HMD. I got to see the display at AUSA, looked very nice. It is essentially 4 SVGA display strapped together in a quad all synched to display one large image. That's oversimplifying, but accurate enough for you to understand, John. How much do you think that quad costs? | ||
| John Jones Rating: N/A |
I'm not John. Obviously this product was under development a lot more than six months ago Steve, so I just wanted to point out that you probably should not talk about subjects you don't know about. If you'd care to dicsuss the tiling method the company uses to "strap them together" , I'm all ears. As for the price , I have a good idea , and no you won't see it in consumer products this year or probably next, but you also claimed in another thread that SVGA displays cost more than the entire ridiculous Icuiti HMD, which is obviously incorrect, so given that and combined with your track record on the timing of product rollouts , maybe you should pass yourself off with a little less authority around here. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
How much does the eMagin SVGA display cost? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
!!! STOP SPAMMING THIS FORUM GUYS AT IIS !!! ..the x-viewer sucks!!! 640x480 pixels is nothing, and it looks like some guys at IIS try to compensate their poor deveopment by spamming this forum... | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
f*ck off sl*t every xbox and ps2 owner is complacent with 640x480.. and who disagrees with stereo?? f*ggot the majority of posts are AGAINST the x-viewer and are most probable the spammers. you should really ask your parents before using the net.. b*tch | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
yeah, you b*atch;)?? really mysterious these flaming folks over at IIS... pfrrrrrt, get a life or die, and stop spamming this forum with your poor products 'Mr. Steve@IIS.com'.. by the way.. !!! IIS IS THE MOST FUNNIEST COMPANY EVER!!! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Vulgarity is a tool of the stupid and uneducated. You only show yourself to be a rude and crass fool with your immature display. You might want to run your posts thru a spelling, grammar, and syntax checker before you submit them as well. I'm not a fan of the aforementioned company but let's try to remain intelligent and (relatively)civil about it. John | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Hi guys, Here is the eMagin UXGA data sheet. Just don't be disappointed. IMO, it works. However, those tapers (fiber optic blocks) are very expensive (more expensive than the OLEDs), and they are heavy. My estimate is the weight of those tapper would be at least 2/3 of lb. All these is only for one eye. Needless to say, these people are insane. http://www.emagin.com/Docs/UXGA.pdf http://www.emagin.com/Docs/DUXGA.pdf | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Yea I saw that too. High dollar stuff. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
IMO those tiled displays are for very high end(read expensive) military simulation and robotic telepresence head gear. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
They were designed for NASA | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
1600x1200 is not exactly high res for the type of work NASA does. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
NASA? ..and when the nase will develop a full 180° FOV HMD with connection to a 180° FOV stereo marsrover's cam before they start firing humas to mars?;) | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
i think the snacks will come after humans land on mars |
