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     Puppet Kite Kid Rating: N/A |
Okay, I haven't been following this forum real close, so forgive me if I'm talking about something that someone is already doing... I've been blabbing over in the Yahoo 3D video group. Come on over and help! :-) I am getting really great anaglyphs (for the first time ever for me) by page-flipping "pre-converted pairs" from a PC to a monitor. (I've tried a CRT and a standard TV, so far :-) I am still experimenting, so I may be overlooking some problems... I am doing this by "pre-converting" 3D pairs to parallel format with the left image converted to red and the right image to cyan. (Plus I use a "shade-corrected" method, which almost entirely eliminates retinal rivalry due to color tones between lenses... long story, another topic :-) I then put them into "page-flipping" mode by using a new freeware program called "StereoMovie Maker" ( http://www3.zero.ad.jp/esuto/stvmkr/indexe.htm ) and I have output them to a CRT and a standard TV with good results... no ghosting or compression artifacts found in other attempts and methods that I've tried. IOW, pre-conversion plus the page-flipping seems to have solved most (or all???) of the *problems* :-) Here's how I do the "pre-conversion": This is using VirtualDub and a parallel pair as an example. The links to the 3rd party filters are on my "VirtualDub3D" page: http://www.puppetkites.net/virtualdub3d.htm First... if you want to play with the colors, first... Add the "Hue/Saturation/Intensity" filter and desaturate only the colors other than red that are possibly overwhelming in the images (i.e., blue, cyan, green, yellow or magenta) by 50%. You can come back to this filter later, after you view the anaglyph conversion, and change the settings. Then: 1) Add the "Deinterlace" filter and "Fold Side-By-Side Fields Together". 2) Add the "Interlaced RGB" filter. Under "Even Lines", put a check in the RGB2Y box. (Checking the RGB2Y box converts the left image to grayscale. Don't ignore this step!) 3) Open a second application of the "Interlaced RGB" filter. Under "Even Lines" and "Cancel", click on "G and "B". Under "Odd Lines" and "Cancel", click on "R". 4) Add the "Deinterlace" filter and "Unfold Fields Side-By-Side". 5) Now (Important), open another application of the "Hue/Saturation/Intensity" filter and increase the "Intensity" of _only_ the red to "1.20". (For whatever reason, the red side has to be lighted by 20% or so, when you do this!) 6) Add the "Resize" filter and change it to the size you want. (Save it to a good compressed AVI format, but don't over-compress it. Watch your red side and be sure not to totally destroy it. Just add enough compression to get your file size down to something you can handle!) Here's a very low resolution/file size example... just to *prove* the point of being able to do this with high compression: This image and/or movie is from a "hyper clouds" experiment from a week or two ago, but I super-imposed a full moon behind the clouds :-) No, I didn't take the photo of the moon... I think I got it from two separate satellites... I can't remember... it's hiding behind the clouds, so you really don't see much detail, anyway: 1) http://www.puppetkites.net/temp/moonclouds1FPforA.avi One image from the movie converted from an BMP to a one-frame DivX AVI. (Ver 5.0.5. Download the latest DivX free version from http://www.divx.com/ ) This file is only 14 KB... smaller than a JPEG! Page-flip it with the StereoMovie Maker freeware: http://www3.zero.ad.jp/esuto/stvmkr/indexe.htm (You'll need Win3D, too...) 2) http://www.puppetkites.net/temp/mooncloudsPforA.avi The entire movie... DivX 5.0.5 AVI at 1.94 MB :-) That's 40 seconds of 30fps video with MP3 audio! Compression city! :-) Page-flip it with the StereoMovie Maker freeware. P. K. Kid 3D Adventures Of The Puppet Kite Kid: (All G-Rated) http://www.PuppetKites.net | ||
| Puppet Kite Kid Rating: N/A |
Hey, everyone... this is really a mind-blowing thing... I really urge everyone to try it with a hi-res image!!! Even with a 60 Hz flicker, you can see a "perfect anaglyph" on a TV, which is something I never thought was possible! Again, the steps for conversion are in my last post. On my standard TV, it is perfect... absolutely perfect. The file size I tested was a one-frame DivX AVI, 126K! Unfortunately, I don't have a hi-res image that I can share... :-) P. K. Kid 3D Adventures Of The Puppet Kite Kid: (All G-Rated) http://www.PuppetKites.net | ||
| John Billingham Rating: N/A |
Mr. Kid, Excuse my probable density, but: How does one play an .avi on one's "TV" And if it is via one's "computer", and one's "computer" has a monitor, WHY? Mr. Billingham | ||
| XioN Rating: N/A |
First off, there are ALOT of video cards / tuner cards with an optional composite out... which can be hooked to most television set and video casette records. Also, you can take the AVI and convert is to SVCD (using 3rd-party softwares like Nero Burning ROM) and put that finished SVCD in your television's DVD player. | ||
| Puppet Kite Kid Rating: N/A |
Okay... this is a bit confusing... perhaps :-) Why a TV? Because you can use a huge TV :-) I have only seen 19 inch computer CRTs, but I could be shopping at the wrong places ;-) At any rate... you need 100 Hz to avoid flicker... but these are 29.97fps progressive pairs that are being page-flipped _from_ my computer. The AVI is playing on my computer, output from my video card S-Video (or whatever works :-) "out" to my 100 Hz monitor :-) I can use 60 Hz on my CRT, with flicker, or 75, 85 or 100 Hz (progressively less flicker) but only 60 Hz on my TV here in the USA. I think a 100 Hz TV would work, but I don't know for sure. It works on my CRT at 100 Hz... I have no idea why this is working... but it is. I can plug my shutterglasses in to my video card and view them on my 60, 75, 85 or 100 Hz CRT _or_ my 60 Hz TV (with flicker). In anaglyph format, pre-converted as I told about previously, they are as ghost free as uncompressed images, as good as I've ever seen on a computer, and even great on my TV (but at 60 Hz with flicker). I have never before viewed an anaglyph on a TV without severe ghosting, color problems and compression artifacts. These are close to "perfect". I would hope that a 100 Hz TV would show them absolutely perfectly and flicker-free, like my CRT can at 100 Hz. I need a huge CRT, I guess ;-) PKK | ||
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Also, in case we are really confused, this works just fine on your normal CRT setup... I only output via the S-Video to my TV... my CRT is hooked up just like yours is :-) The saving grace is that you can use (even) highly-compressed pairs, and get the same results with anaglyphs (for example) as uncompressed anaglyphs, because the conversion is on-the-fly. I've never been able to do this with anaglyphs on a CRT, even, without ghosting and especially compression artifacts. The TV creates an even worse image... totally terrible :-) I (and others) have also experimented with interlaced anaglyphs or even sync-doubled ones in A/B format for line-blanking... i.e., pre-converted A/B (over/under) for anaglyphs... but this page-flipping method is nearly "perfect"... the interlaced ones are quite *bad* looking and the sync-doubled ones, only a bit better because of the visible and irritating horizontal interlace lines... HTH. PKK | ||
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Here's another wild and whacky experiment by your's truly :-) I really don't expect everyone to be able to view this (or expect everyone to even want to ;-)... but, hey, if you want to try something that might be new (and good?) and _can_, then... do :-) 720 x 480 (NTSC DVD resolution) squeezed red/cyan (and "shade-corrected") parallel pair for anaglyph, JPEG and MPEG: JPEG, 67 KB: http://www.puppetkites.net/temp/polarbearSPforA.jpg MPEG 1, 4.45 MB, 4 seconds, no audio (sorry :-): http://www.puppetkites.net/temp/polarbearSPforA.mpg I will share this with both the Photo3D and 3D video groups, because this is a *higher* resolution image and/or (very) short movie of this recent (for me :-) "red-cyan parallel pair for anaglyph" experiment... with an additional twist... it is _squeezed_ to half resolution... something you can do to MPEGs, and maybe JPEGs... ;-), (I'd call that "anamorphic squeezing") with minimal problems to save on bandwidth (or file size). This is one reason this is in parallel format and not above/below... there's another long debate, possible, here, but I did some testing on "anamorphic", 3D, progressive MPEGs, and had great results! Another reason I like this format is you could potentially (I've never tried it :-) output this format to two projectors via a dual head video card without using hardware demux or hardware filters. (Something to try :-) I'm sure the A/B *people* have plenty of reasons not to do this, but, hey, it doesn't hurt to experiment and have fun :-) If you use the new StereoMovie Maker freeware to page-flip this "movie" or you need to resample the JPEG to get it to work, you will first have to upsample the width x2 or 1/2 the height, depending on what your computer can successfully play smoothly, and save it to compressed AVI... I'm not going to try to upload another AVI :-) AVIs, unlike MPEGs, don't resize on-the-fly to double width without bitmapping (stair-stepping) terribly. (another vote for MPEG :-) I noticed that even the DivX AVI codec doesn't work for on-the-fly *widening*. There's something magical about on-the-fly resizing of MPEGs :-) YMMV :-) Don't let the crud on the glass in this image make you think the 3D is reversed :-)... I have a fair amount of footage of this and hope to put it together in a way that combines wide angle and close-up shots... this is a close-up which closely shows the crud on the window :-) I don't really want to get into the 16:9 debate, again... that's just the way that I _personally_ enjoy shooting and viewing, these days :-) This is basically "DVD size" format (NTSC)... just so people can relate to the resolution... so, IOW, you could do this with DVDs :-) I also want to mention that I am using/capturing with analog equipment, so you should be able to do *better* than this with digital equipment... I have to wait 6 months for Santa to come, again :-) You will need to boot these to "full-screen" with a 4:3 display to have the correct aspect ratio... it is "letterboxed" for 4:3, but squeezed exactly in half... you _have_ to double the width. Your page-flipping software should have a "full-screen" mode, and this is what you need to use for this image/movie. You can also view it in interlaced ("line-blanking") mode on your CRT with anaglyph glasses, but you can see the horizontal lines if you do it that way... page-flipping is a much better way, of course :-) It should look good on a CRT or interlaced monitor (dare I say, "TV" ;-) above 100 Hz (as long as you page-flip it from a computer). The movie is only 4 seconds long with no audio (sorry, I'm still on a 56k modem :-). P. K. Kid 3D Adventures Of The Puppet Kite Kid: (All G-Rated) http://www.PuppetKites.net | ||
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I wrote: > I noticed that even the DivX AVI codec doesn't work > for on-the-fly *widening*. There's something magical about on-the-fly > resizing of MPEGs :-) YMMV :-) "YMMV" stands for "your mileage may vary" :-) I need to add something in case someone starts pulling out their hair in frustration, and sues me for the hair transplant ;-).. I used the word, "resize" in the above statement. It may not sound like a big deal, but it is... MPEGs _stretch_ in the width very nicely when playing in most media players or DVD software players... they do not, however "upsize" or "upsample" (resize) very well... sort of a catch 22, and surely one (small :-) argument against this squeezed parallel format. (If anyone knows a trick in doing this, speak up :-) Really the only way to avoid this is to downsample the image in the height, if you must "resize" it, so you don't notice the problem as much, but obviously you lose resolution. Sadly, the DivX codec doesn't seem to stretch _or_ resize well :-( OTOH, AVIs resize much better than MPEGs, but you can't successfully _stretch_ them in the width in a media player... It's as if someone planned this plot against us all ;-) Anyway... stop pulling your hair out :-) PKK | ||
| Aaron Rating: N/A |
Hi all I am new here but have downloaded stereo video maker and have been trying to convert DVD to Avi in anaglyph. One problem great picture but no sound it doesn't want to combine the sound files from the dvd which I decrypted first with DVD decrypter. What am I doing wrong why is there no Audio? There is no audio when playing back the avi left and right together either, even when the option is selected I cant seem to get it to work. |
