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Anonymous

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Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 7:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I have a projector and was wondering if anyone has experimented with projecting onto a dome or other concave surface. I ran across a version of Quake called Fisheye Quake (http://wouter.fov120.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/) and thought that it would be awesome to match this with a spherical surface. One could invest in an expensive fish-eye lens for the projector or you could use the method of a spherical mirror as seen online here, Dome projection on a budget: (http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/projection/domemirror/)

Creating a dome screen would be the difficult part, and I don't even know where to start to find a spherical mirror. Fisheye Quake might not even require a special projection setup other than the dome screen, but you could play other games if you were accurately projecting spherically.

From what i understand, fish-eye lenses are quite expensive. You could include head tracking to this scenario and get a pretty realistic environment and near 180 degrees. Another questions that comes to mind is, "would the edges be out of focus since you are projecting a different lengths - could this be possibly solved by real-time focusing tied to head tracking device.

-cbrack at myrealbox dot com
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Anonymous

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Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

eww, no offense but that looks like its nausea inducing. good luck on your ventures friend.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 4:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Dont be discouraged by some people on this newsgroup. They have no imagination.
I think you should try it. Sounds very interesting.
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itsikw

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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 12:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Have a look at http://www.elumens.com/. If you are technically oriented, look up their patents.

Itsikw
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Spare Parts

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Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I've wondered myself about a 'front projection' HMD before.

If you could use the LCD from a commercial projector (which is tiny) and remove all the other bits. Using clustered white LEDs as a light source you could (probably) create quite a compact projector to fit into a HMD.

The HMD can then be quite large as the 'screen' need have little mass.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Most LCD projectors are 3 panel LCD systems, which use monochrome LCD panels for each color, red, green and blue. They are then fed colored light, which is bounced off a series of mirrors to align them all and project an image. The whole display LCD panel configuration is usually a cube. I thought about doing this myself but it would be quite complicated and most likely too big.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 12:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I'll add alittle from what I found. To get the image on a curved surface, you also need a device or program to make this happen which is expensive.. As you know you would have to get the projecting image to fit your dome which wont happen without this I guess... Type in Quakecave in a search and it will talk about the dome theater somewheres... IM working on doing a Cave setup for Unreal 2003 TM.. Also check at planetjeff say show a nice mini cave with 3 projectors, the screen shot looks awesome. Soon they will have the Cave setup for Stereo...

Ku
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Anonymous

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Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Look at
http://www.nec-pj.com/italian/products/others/distorted.html
seems to be a cheap solution to have the image on a semi-spherical surface.
What do you think?
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Anonymous

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Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 1:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

can we get that in english?
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Giorgio Bogoni

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Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Sorry, I was in a hurry ... I sent to you the italian link and I posted as Anonymous.
Here's the english version
http://www.nec-pj.com/products/others/distorted.html
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Anonymous

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Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 6:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I think the fundamental problem when projecting onto a concave surface is that the image would be too dark at the edges where the projection angle is steep.
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Giorgio Bogoni

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Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Elumens claims that their lens fix this problem, if this is true, I aspect a fish-eye lens to work too.
Has anyone tried a anamorphic lens in front of a projector + a cylindrical screen?
Giorgio.
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bigbadbob

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Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 1:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Try making dome out of octagons, like a soccer ball or radome. Might take a long time, use polysterene tiles. Another idea stretch a piece of sheet plastic around a frame, fill with water until it curves then fiberglass resin the underside. Wait till dry, empty water, might end up with a rough dome.
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Jeffey Jacobson

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Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 5:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

The Elumens people are working on adding fisheye distortion to CaveUT. It kinda works, but needs a bunch more testing before it's ready to release. Stay tuned to http://planetjeff.net/ut/CaveUT.html for news.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 2:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Just so I understand this correctly. standard game + 1 projector + 1 fisheye lens + 1 hemispherical screen = 150-180 deg. FOV.
What is a fisheye lens? is it multi faceted or just hemispherical? The screen would be time consuming but way easy. and 2" hemispherical lens' are about $50. This sounds like a fun project and I need to make a screen for my projector anyway.

Damn, that's an NEC firmware upgrade. I hope Infocus comes out with one. Think I go send them a link to the NEC site. :D
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 6:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

i've got the correct NEC projector, now all i need to do is flash it and then construct the screen. I bought a weather balloon from ebay and will be using it to make a protoype hemispherical screen. Fisheye quake here we come!

cbrack at myrealbox dot com

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