| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The IIS website is down at www.iisvr.com. Anyone know why? Steve? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Maybe because IIS doesn't actually manufacture anything? Maybe Steve lost his job as a school janitor and can't afford to keep up the scam he's been perpetrating? These of course are just guesses based on what's come out of IIS in the past four years. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I ran into Steve last night that is now working at Walmart. He said he was doing really well selling second hand, low-res GameBoy advance screens to unsuspecting customers.  | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
LOL | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
re: IISVR I am very disappointed with IISVR's apparent lack of any kind of progress with the X-Viewer. IISVR seems to consist of nothing more than a nice web site, with nary an actual product to speak of. Is IISVR anything but a web site? What is the actual company, a rented closet with a server? Do they have manufacturing? Is there anyone there? IISVR, please respond, past customer. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
All this board is good for is to talk shit and cut companies down. What a damned shame. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Yep. | ||
| VRJUNKIE Rating: N/A |
IISVR has posted here previously that they are concentrating on military business right now. They are involved with some major night vision programs. They are also a custom solutions provider. This probably brings in just a tad more money for the company and it's investors than a few VR enthusiasts who want a true color 1600x1600 pixel display with a 180 degree view all for less than 200.00! Yes I'm a VR enthusiast, no I'm not an employee of IISVR, but I do work for DoD. -VRJUNKIE | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Yes you are an employee of IISVR. | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
Yes we are still here Yes we are real Yes we manufacture products, shipped about 15,000 systems this year alone Anyone that would like to visit and see the facility is more than welcome, anytime Yes the Xviewer is still in development and we will ship the first production run in December this year No it will not have SXGA resolution and be under $200 No VR Junkie does not work for us | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
More lies. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
http://iisvr.com The site is up. Quit whining like babies and develop a HMD for yourself if you are so impatient. The HMD engineers have to make a living and right now, consumer VR is not a good market. $0.02  Have a day. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
still waiting for those pics steve | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
No pics, no product  | ||
| Jesper Rating: N/A |
If they plan to ship in December wonder why they can't post some pictures? | ||
| blues Rating: N/A |
give them a chance !! Even if it took them a thousand years there still a release date to come far or near but some day (perhaps!!). So why not think it could be this december give them a break !!! BTW the X-eye should be more interesting !! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve says they're supposed to release in December to Asia, yet their website still has the same 5 year old pictures. December.....yeah right!!!! Hey look, there goes a flying pig! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve's been sing that same song for the 4 years that I've been a regular here. It's always 3 or 4 months and their product will be hitting the shelf. After a while a new group of bright eyed enthusiasts start coming around and Steve pipes in with "Almost there" and "In the final testing phase now". Then the Newbies ask a bunch of questions of him and he fills their heads full of lies for a couple of months till it's apparent to all that he's full of balloon juice. Then he slinks away till there's enough new meat for him to spew forth his his tales and in some twisted way feel significant again. For those of you newish (6 monthes or so) forum members that fail to accept that anyone would perpitrate such a cruel little joke, look back thru these forums for at least the last 4 years and you'll realize I'm not making this up. From some of the posts that I read 4 years ago it seemed that Steve had been telling his fabrications for many more years prior to my finding this site. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
It's called "chumming" for business. It's a way for marketing to attempt to keep customers hooked while not really having any product to back it up. They continue to promise "it's on the way". It's terrible. | ||
| Steve@Icuiti Rating: N/A |
Finally ready to show an image of the new HMD, you will find it at the below link. Scroll down to Icuiti corporation and then click view product image. The new website with all the details will be up shortly. The product is an Innovations Design Honoree at the 2005 CES. http://www.cesweb.org/attendees/awards/innovations/rd_honorees.asp?category=61 Product image: http://www.cesweb.org/shared_files/innovations/innovations_2004/3651/mainphoto3651.jpg Just out chumming and thought I'd share Steve@Icuiti | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
You call that an immersive HMD? What a let down | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I hope that inlcudes the tracker too!!! I'm hoping the performance is more impressive then they way it looks. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
It looks cheap and not well built. More of a viewer than an immersive HMD. I'll pass on this one too. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Icuiti = IISVR ? Take a look to the phonenumbers on their webpages: Icuiti: 585-240-8000 IISVR : 585-240-8000 Greetings Tom | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Tom that was hard to figure out! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
That took 4 years+ No resolution or FOV info. Nothing regarding if it's stereoscopic. No tracker. You've gotta be kidding me. I liked the picture of the last non-existant product better than this one. What a scam. Did all you "fresh meats" get a look at that. Time to start asking questions so Steve can feel important (in his own mind). Has anyone else noticed that Steve is the ONLY contact individual for IIS and has been for years now. John | ||
| seameth Rating: N/A |
just an observation. the majority of anonymous posters seem to have an incredibly negative, vindictive, and almost hateful edge to their responces. I'd expect to see this sort of stuff from kids on a school yard play ground, but I'd like to think that the majority of people here are slightly more mature than eight year olds. Has no one ever heard, "if you can't say anything constructive don't say anything at all" or "disagree but don't be disagreeable." ??? When I first found this board a few weeks ago I was really excited to find other people who were really excited about the prospect of owning a HMD. But after reading so many posts I'm shocked at the way the lay HMD community conducts itself. I seriously am not surprised that IIS and like companies haven't bent over backwards to accomadate us. I'm just so frustrated that every response I see on this board so pessimistic. Just once, I'd like to see someone post something possitive with out a flurry of anonymous posters shooting it down. it'd be nice, that's all I'm saying. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Seameth, Hello "fresh meat" and Welcome. There is a great deal of lateral support here on these forums. There is quite a bit of bashing as well. It's the main drawback of allowing anonymous posting. No accountability. I for one have at least a couple of hundred posts here. Whist I am not registered I do always sign my posts. You'll find all but about 5 or 6 of my posts are positive and instructive. Your observation "the majority of anonymous posters seem to have an incredibly negative, vindictive, and almost hateful edge to their responses" is correct with regards to this and similar threads. I've been doing Stereoscopic game play and simming for over 4 years now and I share your enthusiasm about the prospect of owning a HMD unit. You will find SEVERAL years of the above mentioned company's failed promises. As you are just joining us here, you don't share the level of animosity that those of us long timers have for this individual and his alleged company. As I suggested in a previous post, look thru the forums. You may find, that while sometimes harsh and vindictive, most of our responses are justified. One might suggest we just ignore these threads. I think that would be doing a disservice to those like you that are new to stereoscopy and therefore unwittingly deceived. Again, Welcome to the forum. I hope you can overlook the childishness that does sometimes reside here and gain a measure of useful stereoscopy knowledge. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Does anyone have the actual specifications for this HMD? Steve?? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
www.icuiti.com specs should be soon... if your faith was in military hardware you wouldn't be so bitter, it's been said again and again what iis' priorities are. It's not like it is a sure thing that these companies will make money in the consumer market. I bet if it was released you'd be complaing about how they promised an immersive product and how it's not upto your standard. Also these "fresh meat" are just excited that the fact a quality next-gen hmd could realistically be available. who's to say you arn't thre competition trying to burn out interest in the x-viewer... or did your enthusiasm burn out a long time ago?? "It looks cheap and not well built. More of a viewer than an immersive HMD. I'll pass on this one too" - Moron | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
yes i used the word "soon" i've also been waiting years.. ever heard of constructive criticism? | ||
| Jesper Rating: N/A |
I have to agree with some people here. After so many promises about when and what will come out from IIS the picture feels like a slap in the face. And what a picture then? Hell if I would promote a HMD I would most certainly not use that picture. Who wants to see the eyes of the person who is using it. | ||
| Blues Rating: N/A |
errr ... I was very enthousiastic with the old style x-viewer but this one seems to be kind of hard for the nose!!!! I just have one wish "If only they could just restart the VFX3D and VFX1 manufactures !!!" Even if these are low(very) for nowadays they were good product with good shapes !! Blues | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
depends on how heavy it is... need a picture of all angles, maybe there is padding. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
http://www.i4u.com/article2494.html | ||
| ReallyCool Rating: N/A |
What? This long announced 'super-hmd-device-from-supercompany-iisvr' has only 640x480 pixels??? Looks like a joke to me;)) | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
A really, really bad joke! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
you summed it up nicely.... is that it, seriously? steve? i'm sure you knew it would be 640x480. From everything ever written about the x-viewer/ucuiti, i never read anything indicating it would possibly be 640x480 | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Ha ha ha ha ha ha... You guys kill me. Has anyone seen this. http://www.emagin.com/svga3d.htm I think this set-up with optics could make a nice HMD? What else would one need? Where are some good links to stereoscopic HMD creation/design sites? I just paid off my car and have some extra cash for a while and would like to do something other than woodworking and system building for my project time and I can't afford a homebuilt plane project just yet. Screw IIS, it's time we as a group pool our desires and abilities and make this happen ourselves. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
John i-glasses already uses this. | ||
| Steve@Icuiti Rating: N/A |
Yep, the frst one (V920) is a VGA unit, primarily for mobile video applications, portable DVD players and cell phones in Asia. It will work with a PC, although we realize that the resolution is not optimal for a PC application, but the 3D effects are fantastic using the nVidia drivers for games. It can be immersive as well, when pushed right up to your eyes. We will have a higher res solution as the prices start to come down, but you must recognize after going to the site above that those SVGA display cost more than our entire headset. This was a market opportunity to build a great low cost 3D video display that we could not pass up. Unfortunately the market for a $1500+ HMD is very small right now, we hope to grow interest in 3D and immersive applications by introducing a product that anyone can buy. Why don't we wait for a review or two on the product before deciding it doesn't meet your expectations. I think you might be surprised. I will get one to Christoph as soon as I can if he still does reviews. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
640x480! whats to review? You are crazy! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve, Any chance we will see an OLED product out of Icuiti? How about emagins fiber optic tiled UXGA microdisplays. http://www.emagin.com/Docs/UXGA.pdf | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I-glasses uses the 800x600x24 OLED technology? I was unaware of that. As I'm using a X1 projector as my monitor I have gotten used to the 800x600. With 6xAA and 16x aniso it works pretty well. Has anyone used the glasses with this technology? I might just have to make the leap. John | ||
| Akiva Rating: N/A |
Steve: The glasses look interesting. When will they be available -- and at what price? Thanks | ||
| Steve@Icuiti Rating: N/A |
We have a monocular HMD for military use that uses the OLED and we are pretty happy with the performance. You will see an 800x600 from Icuiti, as I said above, when the prices start to come down. Actually, I think the i-glasses uses an LCOS display from Three Five Systems. The Leadtek unit is supposed to have an OLED. Our new unit, launches this week in Japan at a price of around $499. The new Icuiti website will be up in a week or so and will be taking orders. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Does "Taking orders" mean "shipping orders"? Or is this a pre-order deal with no finite shipping date? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve what is the field of view? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
again 640x480 guys and a suck field of view. No way! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
***those SVGA display cost more than our entire headset*** BS!! Call eMagin. No one serious is going to consider this newest Icuiti thing: http://www.visualwear.co.jp/HP_04.jpg Stuff like this does more harm than good for HMD 's. Rather have a needle stuck in the eyeball :-O | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
So that is the new x-viewer???? tell me this is just a bad dream! | ||
| Jesper Rating: N/A |
When something is too good to be true it usually is. Too bad it doesn't applay the other way around when something looks really bad :-) | ||
| Sonya Rating: N/A |
Ok, first of all, if you guys want your input to be taken seriously, CHECK YOUR SPELLING!!!! Man, you have no idea what you guys are looking at. This is the BEST HMD that I have ever seen. I have personally followed the company, and I am 100% positive that this product is going to be the top of the line. I would greatly appreciate it if all of you critical people would back off! After all, you have no right to criticize, especially if you have never tried to build a HMD that actually works and people would buy. This kind of thing takes a LOT of revisions, and is a lot harder than it seems, so try giving some support rather than condemning them. Icuiti (IIS) is not just the pattern for the future, but it is the future! Sonya | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
http://www.visualwear.co.jp/HP_04.jpg this is just a f*cking 3d-rendering!!! guess they don't even have a working prototype... | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
your ability to assume is nowhere to be seen, i guess you lack that ability | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I wouldn't consider IIS-Icuiti part of the future when they are using 20 year old LCD technology that pumps out polarized light. Seen that, done that comes to mind. The future is what 5DT and those coming out of Asia(Daeyang & Leadtek) are using and that's OLED non polarized lambertine emission displays which are far easier on the eyes and more vibrant and offer wider fov's. Why IIS chooses to enter the market whilst leaving such a wide technological gap to competitors is beyond me. I suspect bean counters won over engineers and enthusiasts. | ||
| Kelli Rating: N/A |
Personally, I feel that if you are going to criticize a product, at least use facts, not just assumptions. Remember that saying "when you assume you make an @$$ out of you and me." have any of you even looked at the specs for the product you are so ready to criticize? Are any of you engineers? I have done my research on this and all of the other products IIS has developed, since the creation of the company. They have always been way ahead of their time. So all I want to know is whether any of you who are so quick to put down the company and the product have any real idea of what has been put into it. It takes a lot of time and effort to do what this company has done throughout their history, and they have a number of people working on it at all times. More troubleshooting than you can imagine goes into creating a product such as this, and as I understand it, many people are praising the product as well as the company. So before you are so quick to judge maybe you should look at the facts and consider the long nights that the engineers have put into their work, and the families that have missed spending precious moments with them. This product is in no way inferior. It's an amazing engineering feat. Which leads me to my last thought...... maybe you're all just jealous because you have nothing that even remotely compares to it. If you truly want to insult someone and you think your views should be taken seriously, why don't all you anonymous posters take the accountability for the things you say? It's really easy to say mean things if no one will know who you are. I think that makes you all cowards. Kelli | ||
| Jesper Rating: N/A |
Hello Kelli Trust me when I say that there are many on this board who want to believe in this product as much as you do. I hope you are right. It's just that when we look back we haven't seen much that would be categorized as ".. an amazing engineering feat" Sonya About spelling: Not everyone are from US! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve must be doing drag now. Not only that but he has two female personnas. Examine the syntax and some of the unique punctuation. Pathetic. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
John is right! Steve is really making an ass of himself | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
..hehe, no only 2 female personas.. he also seems to like vulgarity! really funny..;) >>quote from reply to someone who mentioned the small resolution: ---------------------------------------------- f*ck off sl*t every xbox and ps2 owner is complacent with 640x480.. and who disagrees with stereo?? f*ggot the majority of posts are AGAINST the x-viewer and are most probable the spammers. you should really ask your parents before using the net.. b*tch | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I'm sick of this sh*t stirrer. I seriously think it's the one person who is hating on steve and iis. I was expecting higher res but it is for the consumer market and i believe steve when he says "but the 3D effects are fantastic" | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The funny thing is we're all giving Steve exactly what he so badly desires, Attention. It doesn't matter if it's negative or positive. We're talking to him and about him. I work with a guy whom fabricates grand stories about his past exploits just so he doesn't disappear. It's really rather sad to watch him spin his tales while everyone around laughs out loud at him. Like Steve he doesn't realize that the tales are unnecessary. Just because he's average, doesn't mean he's going to disappear. It just means he's a regular guy. I've made the invitation to Steve in the past to just join this forum as a regular guy but it would seem his fragile self image is incapable of it. So while his false assertions do anger me for reasons that have been explained earlier, I'm still left with a sense of deep sadness and pity for him. John | ||
| Steve@Icuiti Rating: N/A |
Wow John, that's deep and I will take the weekend to really evaluate your words and refelect on my fragile self image. The reality is, I thought this was a 3D forum, which I like to watch and sometimes participate in. We built a 3D imager, which mistakenly I thought might have interest to some that come here. I was wrong, for reasons I can't quite figure out yet. This new HMD has almost 5 times the res of the VFX3D and VFX1, which were both pretty popular with people on this forum. This first product from us is not the Xviewer, it is a video viewer for primarily the Asian and American markets, not a fully immersive HMD for gamers. We wish like all of you that the display technology would advance faster and become less expensive. But today, the reality is the Xviewer would be a $2000 HMD, which few could afford. I think that will change soon, and when it does you will see the product come to reality. Until then I will sign off and just watch John criticize what he really does not understand. To the rest, I appreciate the support. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
More BS from Steve. How much can we take? Steve you have been promising the x-viewer for a long time with 800x600 - you have lied to us all! So don't try to shift the blame onto John or anyone else. We are all sick of the lies and the needless self promotion. | ||
| GianCarlo Rating: N/A |
The X-Viewer will only be 800x600? Personally, I don't think that's high enough quality to be immersive. Personally, I will buy an HMD for $2000 if it's at least 1280x768 (widescreen) and 60 degrees FOV. Does anyone else feel the same as me? I think if a product came out like that, all of us would line up to buy it. I think that's the quality/cost point that we all should be aiming for to make HMD's take off. We're gamers, so we're willing to drop $2000 on an awesome computer. I think we'd also be willing to drop $2000 on an awesome HMD like what I described above. | ||
| Sonya Rating: N/A |
All I can say is that I know where my money is, and I have faith in this company. This product looks awesome. Sonya | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
We hear that loud and clear Steve...Ah, I mean Kelli, No wait...Sonya. | ||
| Devil Master Rating: N/A |
Dear Anonymous, can you tell me how exactly did you check the IPs of Steve, Kelli and Sonya (what I think you did to conclude they were all the same person)? I'd like to run that test myself. | ||
| Akiva Rating: N/A |
Steve: I don't know of a modern PC game that supports 640x480 -- most require 800x600 or higher. Will your drivers work around that limitation? Thanks | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Hello Sonya, I'm curious as to what your basing your faith on. As your first post ever here in the forums was to sing IIS's praises just a few days ago. Do you own IIS products? Have you physically seen any IIS products? Have your needs for ANY type of HMD or personal viewer been filled by IIS? Take a look thru the forums here and you'll understand my curiosity about your statement of faith. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
What about you john.. other than being a consumer interested in the late coming x-viewer what bad experiences have you had with iis and it's products. Your opinion is as strong and questionable as sonyas' | ||
| Devil Master Rating: N/A |
>I don't know of a modern PC game that supports 640x480 I do. Doom3, GTA Vice City, Max Payne 1 and 2, Halo, Tron 2.0, X2 The Threat, Freelancer, Unreal Tournament 2004... | ||
| akiva Rating: N/A |
Except for Doom3 those games are all at least a year old, no? Not exactly "modern" | ||
| PeterPan Rating: N/A |
640x480 sucks!!! | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Not really. All console games use standard TV in North America which is 512 line. If you are OK playing console games, you will be fine with 640x480. However, at $450, that is the price of 3 X-Boxes. Little bit too much for that market of audiance. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Anonymous, I've owned no IIS products. It was my goal to own one some years ago when Steve stated that the X-Viewer would not make the scheduled debut in the summer but had been pushed back to a Christmas release. Then it was spring, then summer, then fall, then Christmas, then spring, then summer, then fall, then Christmas... And the story continues. All during this time there was a working prototype with pictures. Units going to reviewers. Production started and the viewers hitting the market in no longer than two months... Again the story continues. IIS is no longer a company if in fact it ever was one. My National Guard supply Sgt. friend was unable to locate IIS by the cage code. That makes me wonder if Steve's reasons (Military Commitments)for a consumer product being delayed were bogus. Hopefully Tom Reynolds will be able to clear that point up for me. Why am i doing all of this? Because we as consumers have a right to making an informed purchasing decision. We also have the right to not be fed Dis-information by companies, or individuals, trying to pull the wool over our eyes. But mostly because I too was taken in by Steve's deceptions. I saved money and planned my work/gaming space based on Steve's written promise to me that I would be able to purchase the 800x600 X-viewer before Christmas 2001. And I'm pissed partly because Steve lied to me repeatedly but more so because I allowed myself to be taken in by a shyster. And for that indignation I'm going to work very hard to bring all of you the bare and complete truth about IIS and more pointedly Steve's mis-representations and continuing lies. I hope this adequately answers your question. John | ||
| Blues Rating: N/A |
Hi all, First about the res 640x480 is not a problem even in new games, since whatever the selected res in the game 800x600 or larger it will be convert to 640x480 by the HMD (they all work this way! AFAIK). Then although Xviewer seems interesting and as I had my self try the VFX1 wich was a very good product when it got out! Ishall acknoleged john since i myself delay the purshase of an HMD waittting for the Xviwer release!! I am kind of pissed off :-{{ BTW as i had mention before if theu rerelesea the VFX3d i should buy one even if it's low res since these are good products (think if they enhanced the res it would be better) Blues | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
NO! I don't know of a single current consumer HMD that has just 640*480.. they all(from I-glasses3d to 5dt) have 800*600 pixels, which is still not enough quality for me buy such a device... 640x480 is totally crap! die, die, die IIS..urraagh;P | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Deep breath in, now release, again... Now don't you feel better? I agree about the 640x480 not being enough. I use an X1 projector (800x600)now which is fine for gaming when coupled with AA. Granted I would have liked a higher resolution but at the time 1024x768 DLP technology was too expensive. I would be willing to go with a 800x600 HMD if the FOV is high enough. I'm trying to find some OLED's with a VGA interface that are a less expensive than the ones at Emagin. Then I plan to see just how difficult it is to build a HMD. I'm going to sell a friend of mine my 9800pro for the $180 that I paid for it and swich back to Nvidia with a 6800GT to run the setup. Right now it's just a matter of loosening up some funds. My wife just paid off the car two months early so that should help. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
ehm, by the way.. how old are you? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
If your asking me then the answer is 41. No old fart jokes please because when you reach 41 you'll realize just how young that is. John | ||
| PeterPan Rating: N/A |
;) like me, peter pan never gets older.. but now I'm 19.. (not kidding) | ||
| Fthat Rating: N/A |
Yes people 640x480 is a complete waste of money! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Those who criticize the VGA resolution of this device don't understand that it isn't intended for high-res PC games. The device is mainly intended for interface to cellphones and gaming consoles and DVD players. The market for those applications is much bigger than VR gaming. The new Japanese handsets have TV tuners in them and you'll be able to watch TV through your cell phone with this device. VGA resolution is more than enough for these applications. SVGA or above would just be expensive overkill. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
It is still not the 800x600 x-viewer we have all been promised and lied to about! | ||
| nicolas Rating: N/A |
You' ve got it ! All of you folks are waiting for the next gen 3D VR product, IIS seems just to provide new solution for mobile video, that's where the money is today. Don't blame them for that clever sniff (intuition). No waste of money, just not the product you need guys. give him a break and understand has to go where the money is to live. I'm not a IIS employee (rather a competitor actually : Sonya, please be honest prouldy tell everyone about your clip on displays please). Sharing and reading opinions on forum is a litterature that any HMD manufacturer reads because it helps providing new solutions and better understanding what users need. Reading spammers and using forums for marketing purpose is sad, I do agree with that. But let's come back to the reality. A new product is always a chance for you guys, a step forward to your dream product to come true. I'm afraid that if you are just waiting for your own solution and destroying everything else will come to no solution at all at the end. Nicolas | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
TV Tuner HMD for cell phones? What a bad idea nobody wants to look like a dork on a subway platform or bus. You wont be able to see you pocket being picked or make your stop. Gimmick is all this is. Now go make something thats impressive that we can dream of buying. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I hear eMagin is going to be sending their displays to game makers in 2005. Any ideas about that. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
If emagin actually ever make those svga stereo 3D oled with a price around $500 USD then I am a buyer. But I don't see any and what happen with leadtek? | ||
| I love Armand Rating: N/A |
The "Anonymous " negative comment maker is probably Armand over at Vrealities since he will not be authorized to sell their products. He loves to spam up this forum and be an idiot as usual. Armand quit it please and stop taking a suck!! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
hehe, IISVR sucks! | ||
| Anamrd Rating: N/A |
Armand Bastien from Vrealities please stop! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
nah, vrealities sucks the same like iisvr.. please stop this crap dudes! | ||
| MAYAman Rating: N/A |
I'm really sick of anonymous posters. Put your name out for all. I'm MAYAman and I've used the VFX1 at the 1995 E3. I thought it rocked. Since then I have been on a quest to find that feeling again. I'm an old timer who remembers steves promises and while I am pissed at him and the constant delays what else is there to look forward to? I know the Xviewer will never come out. Its been 4 years. I'm just waiting for something to come out. SOMETHING! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Did anyone try this HMD? Where can I find a review of it? MW | ||
| pat_tuxent Rating: N/A |
Steve replied to my e-mail this morning about the V920. He said it will be in the US in about three weeks. Yes, 640x480 may seem less than ideal for some, but what do you expect for $499.00 US? Steve also said it supports stereo out of the box. I am buying one and will let you know how it turns out. | ||
| MAYAman Rating: N/A |
I'm going to buy one as well, can you please forward the email for all to see. Can we buy it straight from them or what reseller? Please update as I am almost buying a SVA 3d pro for $1,400. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I don't think I would buy any of those HMDs. The V920 does not look like it would be any good for immersive gaming, considering that is what I want a HMD for. After reading this link I would not want to pay that much for the I-glasses if they have such big design flaws. http://www.icetec-uk.com/icetec/immersive_vr/i-glasses_svga3d.htm MW | ||
| pat_tuxent Rating: N/A |
The biggest reason I am getting the V920 is for my console games when my roomie wants to use the bigscreen tv. If the stereo function pans out at low res then that's bonus. Steve replied again after I asked about a higher res headset and he said later this year, meaning 2005. Those 800x600 and 1024x768 LED panels are not cheap. Go check for yourself. The lifespan of OLED panels at the moment are around 18 months before they discolor, so that's a ways off as a solution. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
http://www.icetec-uk.com/icetec/immersive_vr/i-glasses_svga3d.htm WHAHAHhahahhaa.. look at this crap piece of home improvement! ..fucking hobbyiests!!! | ||
| Devil Master Rating: N/A |
I wonder if the color problems could be eliminated by cooling the microcontroller with a Peltier cell... | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Well, yes. However, the heat has to find some way to go too. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
> Can you tell where you found this information. My info has it at 15,000 hours to half life showing typical SVGA+ video at 50-60 cd/m2 luminance. That's a life of 8 hours a day every day for 5 years. Every other day 10 years, 36 years for once a week 8 hours. SPIE volume 5442 "Active Matrix OLED for rugged HMD and viewfinder applications" EMagin & US Army Night Vision and Electronics Sensors Directorate. It's listed in the abstract so you don't have to purchase it. http://bookstore.spie.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=DetailPaper&ProductId=541588&coden= | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
V920 has arrived, check their website Is this good or bad stuff? Specifications Display - 2 VGA LCD panels (920,000 pixels each) - 640 by 480 resolution in true color - 26° field of view - Image appears as if projected at a distance of 11 feet - 15 degrees of vertical tilt - Left/right, independent focus (approx. +2 to -6 diopters) Video Input FormatS - Standard NTSC video - Field Sequential NTSC 3D - S-Video* - VGA: 640 by 480 2D at 60Hz* - VGA: 640 by 480 field sequential 3D at 60Hz* * optional cable required Audio -100 mW per channel, removable stereo headphones 1⁄8" stereo headphone jack Weight - Display: 3.5 oz. (w/headphones) - Controller: 3.8 oz. (w/batteries) Batteries - 2 AA Alkaline batteries (included) - 2.5 to 4.5 hours of continuous use, based on battery type Power - 5VDC power adapter (100 to 130VAC, 50 or 60Hz., included) - USB power adapter (optional) A/V Cables - Composite video (included) - RCA Barrel Connectors (3 included) - SVHS (S-Video, optional) - VGA (PCs & Laptops, optional | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Not a bad thing. It's just useless. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Is this good or bad stuff? If you want it for virtual reality or immersive gaming then probably no. 640 by 480 is still a little too low. 26° fov is far from immersive, most consumer hmds have a bigger fov. But, this still seems like a good product. Its lightweight and supports both ntsc and vga. Its hard to make a good quality hmd that costs $500. Not a technological breakthrough, but not a total piece of crap either. MW | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Well, all manufactures are going after the portable computing and secured viewing market. Those kind apps do not require a large FOV. In fact, large FOV is not good for those apps at all. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Don't even think about an X-viewer!!! Emargin has a much much MUCH MUCH better solution. http://www.3dvisor.com/html/product.htm Steve, this is what you where supposed to release. Not the X-viewer. | ||
| steve Rating: N/A |
Well this product isn't really out yet either. I would never believe any HMD until i see it available for purchase. This looks much more promising than the x-viewer though! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
steve you suck! | ||
| pat_tuxent Rating: N/A |
V920 - 640x480, FOV 26 Deg, no head tracking, $499.00 Z800 - 800x600, FOV >60 Deg, 3D head tracking, $899.00 It's all about what you are willing to pay for. All you Steve haters, maybe you can put your Everquest and comic book habit on hold for a few months and save up for the better headset. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
pat tuxent, Read their spec again, the Z800 only has ~40 degree FOV = not good and immersive for gaming. Not 60. Here http://www.3dvisor.com/assets/eMaginz8003DvisorDS.pdf | ||
| steve Rating: N/A |
just so you know I am not Steve Glasser. I did not make that clear in my first post, as the post before mine was directed at steve glasser and then i responded with the username steve. So if you think that I suck, that's fine, but if you think steve glasser sucks (he doesn't BTW, met him at a trade show a year ago and he was a very nice guy) then make sure your suck accusations are directed appropriately. Sorry if I confused anyone, but yeah 40 degrees is definately not immersive, but but $899 is a good value for a 40fov 800 by 600 system. I think the confusion about the 60 fov was because they were sort of mixing specs of the tracking with the field of view. It is 360 degrees horizontal tracking and as I understood it 60degrees vertical, which is a little strange. I would think you would want true 3dof tracking pitch yaw and roll, for immersive gaming, but the tradeoffs for adding full 3dof tracking may have outweighed the benefits. Or maybe i read the site wrong. These field of views on low end systems are limited by the size of the microdisplays available, and if there were a larger reasonable resolution microdisplay available at a good price, you would see higher field of view HMDs for the consumer market because they could be magnified with simple, plastic optical systems. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I am an investor in eMagin and wonder if you could elaborate on why the z800 will or won't get some traction with the gaming community. Thanks for any responses. | ||
| GianCarlo Rating: N/A |
As mostly a 3d-shooter gamer I won't miss the roll in 3dof tracking. Honestly I think very few people will. To the eMagin investor, the downside of this product is the 800x600 resolution which is a turn-off to most serious PC gamers who usually never go below 1024x768 for their games. And stereo-junkies know that 40 degrees horizontal FOV is not immersive (60 would be more like it) but it's a great step in the right direction! I calculate it will be about like having a 21" LCD monitor like I have here at work. It's big and cool, but if it's all I have to see my 3D game world, it's still will feel like I'm running around looking out of a cardboard box stuck on my head. The bottom line that this product won't quite give the immersion I'm looking for, but this product is a huge step above the i-glasses in the right direction, and if good reviews come out for it and the price truly will be $899 I just might buy it anyways for the fun of it! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
To the emagin investor. This is what gamers have been waiting for. Yes, we would always like more FOV and higher resolution but I feel that alot of us have been waiting for someone to release a decent HMD. I think you guys have it. Just hope it does actually release. I'm going to buy one. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
We need a greater range of vertical tracking for FPS games. We have to be able to see things lying at our feet. Plus there's alot of balconies and rock ridges that require you to shoot almost strait down (Farcry, CS-Source, ect..). 90 degrees of vertical tracking is needed. The FOV translates to sitting with your eyes 2 feet from a 17.5" monitor. I'm OK with that and as I use a X1 projector for my gaming the 800x600x24 resolution works for me too. I will buy one of these for my Flight sims, driving sims, and CAD programs. If you think about it fighter pilots and race car drivers wear helmets that limit your FOV anyway. To our nameless investor. Will you see if a greater vertical tracking option can be made available? Thanks, John | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
To the eMagin investor, People who are most likely to buy this product are seriouse gamers, especially flightsimmers. For the res of 800x600, we flightsimmers can't even see the gauges clearly; especially when we are flying instruments only. With combat sims, the lack of peripheral (40 FOV) is turn off. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
correction. I just did the math at the units FOV. We need a evenly split vertical tracking of 155.32 degrees. Give or take a degree or two would be fine. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
BOPrey, The FOV doesn't have anything to do with peripheral vision. My two monitors display the exact same view due to the fact that they are both displaying at a 4:3 aspect ratio. One's 17" and the other's 120". The only way to increase your periheral vision would be to use a wide screen ratio. Also the game would have to support the wide screen format. I have to go to bed right now but I did all the math for the Emagin HMD. I'll post it tomorrow with a neat little way for everyone to get an accurate real world translation of all the FOV and tracking data. I wrote the whole thing out but when I went to post it my DSL modem had timed out and I lost it. The pisser is I normally copy long posts to the clipboard before I submit them just for that reason. talk to you tomorrow. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
To the eMagin investor, I am saving money to buy a Z800. But, I don't think most gamers know anything about tracking or fov. They are not going to pay $899 if all the info they have is specs that they don't understand. If the stores had a Z800 demo that people could try then more gamers would be willing to buy it. MW | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Appreciate all the comments concerning the EMagin HMD. Hope to read more. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
John, I am looking forward to your reply with the calculations. May I ask you how many years of VR research have you been involued. I myself have spent the past five years almost full time on VR research including but no limited to HMDs. Through some of our studies, we found that the minmum FOV is 90 degree stereo for immersion. You are corrent the aspect ratio has something to do with it too. However, we are still talking about tunnel vision here with 40 degree FOV. As for games supporting wide screen format, you can always mask out the top and the bottom. | ||
| GainCarlo Rating: N/A |
I agree, you do need to look almost straight up and straight down in FPS/Combat Sims or the head tracking is no good. I also agree, to escape tunnel-vision FOV and get good immersion, eventually HMD's will have to be widescreen aspect ratio. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Anonymous with the DSL modem that timed out where's the beef on the z800 | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Hi guys, Sorry about the late reply but some Honey-do items had to be addressed. BOPrey, Your statement regarding tunnel vision is not the same as your statement regarding peripheral vision or immersion. I apologize for making the assumption that you thought the three terms were interchangeable. As I'm sure you know true peripheral vision would require at very least a hemispherical display surface and software that would display on that surface. There was a user created add on for Jane’s F/A-18 that did this. I forget the specs of the parabolic surface but it was very cool and easy to make. This work was done back in 1998 or there about. It's my understanding that flexible/moldable OLED's are currently in development which will facilitate a true peripheral HMD with 160 degrees of view. On to the other stuff. I know that for many of you FOV, degrees of tracking, and perceived image size are very confusing and without real world comparisons leave you baffled. I know the feeling because when I first started getting into this 4 years ago I was just as baffled. So I did the math and thought of a way for those of you with interest in HMD's to get a "feel" for what to expect. I've never seen this done but I'm sure it's has been just because it's so simple. Take a box that is 2 feet long and at least 14" wide and 10.5" tall. Cut a hole in one end of the box that is big enough so you can see thru it. Make it big enough so your nose isn't getting squished against the box while it's up against your face. Cut a hole 14" wide and 10.5" tall in the other end of the box. If you've done this right you will look thru the eyehole at one end and see thru the square you cut and the distance between the hole and square will be 2 feet. Why 14"x10.5" you may wonder. A 105" diagonal screen at a 4:3 ratio is 84"x63". Imagine a big "T" with the top line being 84" across and the vertical line being 144" tall (12 feet 'cause that's how far your sitting from the screen). Now draw a line from the bottom of the "T" to one end of the top line and again from the bottom of the "T" to the other end of the top line. Kind of looks like a piece of pie cut down the middle. Now let's measure from the bottom of the "T" up 2 feet. Draw a line strait across at the 2-foot mark. Now measure the distance where this new line crosses both sides of the pie. If you did it right you ended up with 14". Seeing as how we have a 4:3 aspect ratio 3 is 75% of 4 so multiply 4x75% and you get your highth of 10.5". Now lets take our box (or tunnel vision device as BOPrey would probably refer to it as) and go out in the back yard. Look thru your box while trying to ignore the laughing and catcalls coming from your neighbors. This is the FOV that the Emagin HMD will provide you. Keeping the box level turn in a complete circle. This is the 360 horizontal tracking. OK, stop spinning around now 'cause you look foolish. Notice what you can see thru the very top of the "window" of your "screen". Tilt your head back, raising the far end of the box, till what you could see at the top of you "screen: is now at the very bottom. Then raise the far end of the box another 2 1/2". This is 30 degrees vertical tracking. Tilt you head back down so you have your original strait ahead view. Time to tilt your head down till what was at the very bottom of your "screen" is now at the very top. Tilt the far end of the box another 2 1/2" down and you have another 30 degrees of vertical tracking. Add the up and the down and you have your total of 60 degrees vertical tracking. Basically what the Emagin HMD will give you is a 17 1/2" LCD screen 2 feet from your eyes mounted to your head. While a higher resolution would be nice the only real issue I have with this HMD is that the vertical tracking should be much greater. Why? Because I won't be able to see something directly at my feet like a weapon I want to pick up or an enemy I want to kill standing below the balcony I'm standing on. If I can use the mouse in conjunction with the tracking feature then it won't be that bad. As it stands now. In order for me to see something on the ground I'd have to be standing 5 1/2 feet away from it. This is assuming that my character is 6 feet tall with an eye level of 5 1/2 feet. I'm not going to go into the math right now 'cause this post is already WAY too long but gamers need a vertical tracking of 155 degrees with this FOV. That's it for the now. I hope I've helped in at least some small measure to alleviate some confusion regarding HMD specs. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Oh yea, forgot to mention it but I'm gonna buy one. True ghostless stereovision with some tracking thrown in for $900. Hell yes, I'm in. John | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
John, Thanks for taking the time to write that up. Oh, I knew it was like 17 1/2" screen at 2 feet. However, it is still just a 17 1/2" screen at 2 feet. I'm not going to talking about this issue anymore here as I might disclose some of our trade secrets of our company's HMD development by accident. Anyway, for now, I will buy one if it comes out. Hey, it is way better than the i-glasses I have been using all these years, and it is a log lighter. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Has anyone else noticed how quite Steve has been since Emagin has come out with a FAR superior product that is actually in production, has been shown at CES, has a price tag, and will begin shipping in May. Maybe it's time to let this thread die and move on to a thread regarding a REAL product. So goodbye IIS or whatever you choose to call yourselves now. Rest in peace. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
We need more serious gamers to weigh in on the Z800. We respect your opinion on the EMA message board. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Where is the EMA message board? link? John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Go to Yahoo finance and type in the symbol EMA. Then look for messages. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
$900?? Jesus H. Christ. They'll probably sell about 100 at that price. All the other HMDs that have been out at that price have been total flops. It's not even portable. Who's going to carry around a computer with a USB port just to be able to use it? I see it's not even shipping yet. Sounds like that Leadtek HMD that eMagin was touting a while back. It doesn't ship either. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Couldn't you be a little less transparent. God you bashers are the world's worst. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I wonder if they sold only 100 17" LCD monitors when they were $900? Hmmm...I don't think so. Both of my laptops have USB ports and I carry them everywhere. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Not a good comparision. LCD monitors is designed to save space, and HMD is not designed to replace the monitor. Large companies (so call early adoptors) were surprise to find out how much money they were saving in electries by just switching to LCD monitors. There early adoptors are the ones driving every products, including the IBM PC. Back in the early 80s, accounting firms bought up a lot of those $5000 PCs, and gave rise to the PC clones. Without these early adoptors, PCs will still be out of reach for most of us. How, who would be the early adoptor for a $1000 HMD? | ||
| pat_tuxent Rating: N/A |
I will. You are not going to see 1280x1024 HMDs with head tracking for $500.00 for a LONG time. Anyone can save up $899.00 by May. | ||
| seameth Rating: N/A |
I'm with that. having been keeping an eye on this stuff now on and off for a few years, this Z800 sounds like good bang for your buck. head traking, head phones, a mic, both video and PC support, and ofcourse the steroscopic effects all add up to about $899.00 for a market breaker as far as I'm concerned. I'm already saving my money for this one. I'm just waiting for word on where to buy the thing. | ||
| Heliviewer Rating: N/A |
http://www.icuiti.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PLST&Store_Code=IC Store is open!!! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Looks like a piece of junk compared to the Z800. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
no one is going to buy the icuiti headset. It's a legacy product before even being released. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I tried to buy a Z800. I was told it wasn't shipping. Are there any consumer HMDs from eMagin that are now shipping? Please post a link to where I can buy one. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Sounds like when they promised that HMD from Leadtek. That thing never shipped either. I called Leadtek and they have no clue if or when it ever will. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Looks like pat and seameth can bring down the price of HMDs to a level at such that the masses can affort. So companies will be able to spend their profit on the development of higher resolution cheap HMDs. | ||
| arcadianvr Rating: N/A |
I have been eyeing this headset for some time (No pun intended). I love the design, and would buy one in a heartbeat. The only problem is the resolution/FOV. Neither are high enough to support my products! Jared Hargrave Arcadian VR www.arcadianvr.com | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Jared,I'm a little confused. Are you endorsing the product with reservations or saying the lack of resolution is a deal breaker? | ||
| arcadianvr Rating: N/A |
I like the styling and the weight of the product. They are on the right track. For me, in a professional market where my customers are looking for wide field of view and high resolution, this will not work. The FOV and Resolution is a deal breaker for us. If they were to provide a high resolution and a 50 to 60 degree field of view, I might consider them. To answer your questions, I am saying that if you are not worried about High resolutions and dont care if it looks like you are looking at a flat screen, it is a great product and should buy it. On the other hand, there are better products out there that will cost a little more. Again, they are on the right track! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Define "a little more". John | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
"A little more" = 10,000 USD. Anyway, Jared has my type of application. I like it. However, it should be much cheaper and simplier for home use. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
steve from IISVR sucks! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I wonder if it can be hacked with different optics to increase the FOV, like it has been done with the VFX3D... http://web.tiscali.it/ICS/vfx3d_fov_hack/vfx3d_fov_hack.htm | ||
| Devil Master Rating: N/A |
WTF? It was me in the last post! Why does it say "Anonymous"? | ||
| Doon1 Rating: N/A |
Maybe it doesn't like you... JK John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
What a bunch of geeks we are. The HMD isn't even out yet and we're trying to figure a way to hack it. Ain't it great! John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Sure are lots of peeps in here going on about the importance of 'fov.' I don't know what the exact fov of the human eye is, and i've heard is was something like 120* full and 50-60* usuable fov. So tweaking the 40 fov to say, 50* shouldn't be too much of a hassle. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
More than 180*. Less 60* usuable. It is difficult to see 30* off the side with move your head. In general, once your eye start focusing off center, your head tends to follow it. The extra FOV is there for situation awareness, kind of give you eyes a cue to where to look. It can be very low resolution. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
boprey wrote: More than 180*. Less 60* usuable. It is difficult to see 30* off the side with move your head. In general, once your eye start focusing off center, your head tends to follow it. The extra FOV is there for situation awareness, kind of give you eyes a cue to where to look. It can be very low resolution. ```````````````````````````````````````````````````` Some sources state 200* and 52* of usuable fov. You can probably get by with 50* fov and simulated 'corner of the eye view.' | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
How do you simulated "corner of the eye view" with 50* FOV. Wait, I think MigAlley as such a feature. It works this way, if there is an object off to the side, outside of the screen but still within your peripheral vision, it shows an anonymous icon on the side of the screen. Yes, in this case, I will settle with a HMD which has a 60* horizontal FOV. Another study I did in the past is that as the sense of speed increases, you whole FOV tends to decrease. Or to be more precise, as the concentration level increases, FOV decreases. However, this is a function of the brain rather then the eye, and it is different from person to person. Maybe future game can simulate that as well. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
It looks like Leadtek dumped the SVGA version of its X-Eye product in favor of a QVGA product. No joy for you gamers. My contact says the SVGA displays were either too expensive or not available. http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/hmd/overview.asp?lineid=20&pronameid=167 | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Wow . What a bummer. Good thing the z800 is there to save the day. Did your contact suggest whether Leadtek didn't choose Kopin displays because they were too crappy or too bloat-pig power sucking? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Who cares? I'm interested in high-res gaming displays. As far as I know, Kopin doesn't make any either. As far as Z800, it's just vaporware. I called and it's not shipping. Another prototype. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
QVGA - What the heck is that? 320x240? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Technically, yes. The new Leadtek HMD is 432x240. You might as well just go with the Icuiti VGA HMD. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
This is at least two step backwards. I just love these business people. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
don't think it matters any more. Z800 is the raised bar to try and jump over now. Assuming it actually ever makes it to market. Been disappointed so many times with these things. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
It looks like Emagin has taken the reins and is going to do it right. I'll be first in line when the first Z800 comes off the line. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I can't believe what they're selling for less than a $1000 bucks. I have to see it to believe it. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
'How do you simulated "corner of the eye view" with 50* FOV' By using something semi-reflective or opaque. Anything beyond the 52-60* fov range is just background anyway. | ||
| Devil Master Rating: N/A |
> I can't believe what they're selling for less than >a $1000 bucks. I have to see it to believe it. And if you were talking about the i-glasses, you'd be saying: "I can't believe they never lowered the price in 7 years!" | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
well now's your chance fellows - there is a link to prepurchase the z800 visor at www.emagin.com , according to yahoo mb | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
So now eMagin will manufacture and distribute its own visors? It sounds like it can't find any OEM customers or distributors so it's going to try and go it alone with its own end product. That's a recipe for disaster that many small component manufacturers have tasted. I bet this strategy will eat a ton of cash in the next few quarters. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Yea the same thing happend to ATI and AMD. What disaster stories those two ventures were. John | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
ATI don't make their own boards any more, and I don't AMD is making computers either. As for eMagin, making their own end user product does not seem that bad since the application of micro-displays are very very limited (mainly HMD). So, OEM will not necessary do a better job marketing it. Just my 2c | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
It means a company has to add a lot of overhead including a larger sales force to do direct marketing to consumers. The OEMS already have worldwide marketing forces in place. Creating your own, especially for a tiny company like EMA, is unlikely to be successful against the larger competitors. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
The problem is, what eMagin has is not exactly much much better than the competition. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Hmmm - let me see. Pretty much everyone posting to this forum had said that they are likely to purchase a Z800 as soon as available (except the dopy disgruntled ex-employee or burned shareholder or whoever the 'basher dude' is). Many have pre-ordered. Yeah - we're just a bunch o' geeks here but there's plenty other gaming boards and self supporting media forums, so 1) it says a lot about the things selling themselves initially and 2) the perceived value of the allegedly competitive products. Still , I'll believe in the thing when I'm holding one in my sweaty little hand and not before. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I thing that it's totally feasible to do. Thrustmaster isn't a large company and they sold quite a few of they're Cougar H.O.T.A.S. flight controls at about $300 a pop. It will be imparative that Emagin saturate the product review sector with as many review units as they can. Accompanied by well written and easy to understand instructions. I would start with tomshardware.com, anandtech.com, guru3D.com, and gamespot.com as these are the most trafficed gamer spots on the net. From there I believe the requests from other sites for review units would be greater than the the number of test units available. Of course this is just my opinion. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I agree.. i can' believe the lack of news about hmd's on EVERY gamer site. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The market for Micro-Displays is actually much larger than that. HMD's are just a very small niche. RPTV and digital still cameras , camcorders all use microdisplays. The problem is that not many companies have been able to make a go of it profitably. The road is strewn with little Micro-Display manufacturers that could not compete with Sony or TI or whomever. For that reason eMagin may have been smart to go it alone. The real money is in retail unit sales. The markups on these things are probably pretty rich. Why get squeezed by and rely on OEMs who will bag the fat margins anyhow? There are plenty of little outfits out there manufacturing substandard (for gaming) HMDs . Many to choose from . But how many could these little companies sell of these products? Well , enough to still be listing them on tekgear etc. and selling a couple here and there - with no advertising whatsoever. Why bother? That will tell you something about the margins. | ||
| ditzil@hotmail.com Rating: N/A |
Do a google search with emagin and rohm and you'll see their partnership in viewfinders. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Rohm and EMA haven't put out a single viewfinder in 3 years. I'd say the "partnership" is only in your imagination. As for the Z800, it's not shipping according to the company. That puts it in "vaporware" status. Why are companies like Icuiti and others able to ship their HMDs but EMA has to be in "pre-order" mode? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Why sell to OEMS? Because they have the marketing and distribution chain. No little almost-BK company is going to get its products in Best Buy for example. If you can't do volume your margins suck big time and you continue to remain an almost-BK company. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I can't tell if poor Stevie boy is slamming this thing or some disgruntled stock investor. But the buzz continues. And as specialty retailer 10+ - that's always a good sign. See any discusiions here about the Icuiti thing they just launched? Nah. Wonder why? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
"Why are companies like Icuiti and others able to ship their HMDs but EMA has to be in "pre-order" mode?" Hi Steve. Why the anonymity? Have you started shipping? I saw this "DUE TO INCREDIBLE DEMAND AFTER CES, WE ARE TEMPORARILY BACK-ORDERED ON THE V920. AS A RESULT IT WILL TAKE UP TO 3 WEEKS FOR YOUR ORDER TO SHIP. WE ARE VERY SORRY!" From what I gathered you weren't at CES. Didn't you guys do about the same thing with the x-viewer a couple of years ago? Delayed shipping that never actually shipped. Has anyone here ordered from Icuiti? Yep, you guessed it... John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Can the icuiti hmds show video in 16:9 widescreen format? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I've ordered and received my V920. I bought it so I could play my Playstation while others in the family could watch the television. It works as advertised. It also works well on the portable DVD player. The resolution is better than a regular TV but not as good as HDTV. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I would have pre-ordered a Z800 but it's only SVGA, not good enough for serious gaming. When they have a 1280x1024 I'll bite. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
how bad is the lcd smudging when playing fast action games? I know my lcd monitor cant handle most fast action. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
everyone seen lcd already so everyone want oled | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
You guys may as well order the Icuiti now, it's the best thing currently available. The Z800 might be intersting if it ever saw the light of day , but I bet it won't. The V920 is a good buy for the money - or you can sit around here waiting forever for something better and complaining. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Thank you Steve for the push but no thanks! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I've waited for at least 800x600 with tracking for quite some time now. I'm going to hold out for the Emagin unit. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
RE: LCD smudging - Using my V920 is like looking at a high-end LCD monitor. Yes, there is some smudging of fast action. But, it's not for high-end gaming anyway. I don't think I could ever play high-res computer games at SVGA. We gamers buy the super high-end video cards for our computers and now, suddenly, we're going to play at SVGA resolution? I think not! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
So the v920 is for the low end 4:3 ntsc video niche only. | ||
| Devil Master Rating: N/A |
Dear Anonymous who won't buy a Z800 just because its resolution is too low: you need to consider that when you watch a stereoscopic scene, you get twice the amount of visual information you would with the same scene, at the same resolution, in monoscopic mode. Unless the resolution is egregiously low, like in the old VFX1 or CyberMaxx, you wouldn't even mind the "low resolution". Personally, I'd prefer stereoscopic 640*480 than monoscopic 1024*768 any time. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
If IIS was smart they'd dump their new HMD (or lack of HMD) and design emagin's new headset into a helmet design, like the old VFX1. | ||
| jeremy Rating: N/A |
hello i have a V920. Your all probably going to beat me to death but I have actualy a prototype. My dad is the senior electrical engineer at icuiti. This thing is amazeing. The only problem I have makeing my pc gaames 3d. any help? im a big halflife fan and would like to see it in 3d. FYI the V920 is only the beginning. My dad is working on some very high quality HMDs. | ||
| Devil Master Rating: N/A |
Are you a troll? I mean, posting a message like this is REQUESTING an answer like "Ask your dad"! And then you'll say nobody wants to help you just because we like bashing IIS/Icuiti, so someone will tell you to phux0r off and you'll reply: "WAAAH WAAAH YUO AER ALL TEH ASSHATS!!1 EYECUETY RUELZ AND YUO AER JUST ENVIEUOS!1!11ONE" | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Jeremy. Ask your Dad. lol. Then start saving your money for a Z800 - we are hoping for a May release (god damnit :D) . Hey maybe you could do Dad a favor and get a copy of his resume and forward over to eMagin. He will thank you in a year or two because he'll be able to work on the next generation of stuff people really want and he'll get rich off stock options (ok not so sure about that part). Hey - might as well attach a copy of Paul and Steve's resumes too. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Jeremy, How about posting a picture of yourself with your V920. In fact how about anyone posting a picture of yourself with a V920. Call me a skeptic. I think your jerking our collective chains. photobucket.com will alow you to store your photos and you can post a link to them here. Any takers? P.S. Any bogus pictures can be prooved to be so using photoshop so don't waste our time with them. John | ||
| Jeremy Rating: N/A |
I have webcams that you can see me on alot. Http://iliketoburnthings.kicks-ass.net im not jerking anyone around. want to know a interesting fact? the V920 was origionaly going to be called the Jordi Unit, my dad is a big Startrek fan. The reason they are so expensive at the moment is each one is hand assembled and many of the parts need to be assembled under microscope. Another reason for the V920's high price is that it is all analog, analog components tend to ber more expensive but a Fully digital vertion is in the works with a 800x600 resolution | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Kopin is Icuiti's LCD microdisplay source and there's no available SVGA from them. Is the 800X600 OLED? It would make perfect sense from a business standpoint to use OLED especially for a mobile product concerned with power consumption. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Sorry Jer. You show up here outta nowhere , (ps where oh where has Stevie been hmmm?)claiming to own a HMD no one really cares about anyway, all but saying in your post that they're not available for purchase anyhow even if someone cared to buy one lol, claim that your dad is head EE at the company that makes the hmd , now show yourself to have webcams and I pages -- and this is what you came here to ask - AFTER claiming the thing is amazing?: "The only problem I have makeing my pc gaames 3d" Haha. Wonder why you're greeted with skepticism dude? Have fun with your prototype Jer - even a quick glance at the specs. disinterests anyone serious about 3d gaming. Your dad may as well have made this 6 or 8 years ago. It's a waste of time and energy. jmo. | ||
| Jeremy Rating: N/A |
This is Ken, Jeremy' dad. I am the project engineer for the V920 and the M920 at icuiti. Whenever I have an engineering prototype free for the evening or weekend, I bring it home and let Jer and his friends 'alpha' test it. Believe it or not, when you are busy designing a new product, you dont have time to sit at work all day and watch movies or play games, so getting feedback from several college students is extreemly valuable. The V920 is not a Head Mount Display. The VFX was a great product for its time, but its market was very limited. The V920 is designed to be portable, something you could wear on a train or plane, read your email during lunch in a cafe, watch DVDs, use with a PS2 or game cube... and still be able to put it in your shirt pocket I cant picture someone walking around the mall, or in the student lounge at a university wearing something the size of a football helmet. The V920 is designed for a very wide and diverse market. Since it has 2 LCDs it was only natural to have a sterescopic mode for it. We know that serious gamers use 21" monitors at 1280+ resolution, with shutter glasses to play 3D games. I would not write off 640x480 3D until you see it for yourself. With 3D the resolution multiplys when you have two stereoscopic displays. The X and Y are augmented with a Z (depth) equal to the horizontal resolution, which gives you 640*640*480 or 197 million possible pixel positions in three dimensional space. The resident resolution of NTSC (TV) video is 640x480. The V920 is perfect for anything that can be viewed on a normal TV monitor. The engineers and marketing and sales people at icuiti respect and value your opinions, and welcome constructive feedback. Please understand that 99% of our customers will never play 3D games on their V920s, but the production numbers they generate is whats going to put the price of our products as low as possible. The more we sell, the lower the price will be. So while the V920 was not designed to be the ultimate gaming head mount display system of the 21st century, dont write it off until you get a chance to try one for yourself. If you test one and it meets your needs, and you like it, super! If not, I hope you dont mind if we sell several million of these to people who want to use them for other things. BTW, Jer was trying to figure out how to get his video card into stereoscopic mode. He finally swapped in an old Nvidia card and it works great now. If you follow the phone tree at icuiti the tech support line usually ends up ringing my phone (at least for now). We are really busy, we do have a back log of orders after the CES convention, but I always make time to talk to anyone who calls and wants to talk to an engineer. -Ken | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Hey thanks ken! I have a few questions, not necessarily engineering themed: 1. When and where will we be able to test the V920 as you suggest. Most people aren't going to drop a half a grand on these things (and that goes for all of them) without testing them. How do you , or eMagin, or Leadtek, or Daeyang or Oriscape or whoever plan to handle this problem. 2. Continuing along this line, you say you plan to sell several million of them. What market data are you using to support this projection? You say the backlog was all in from CES and represents 3 weeks waiting time, how many units does this represent? Over how long of a period are you talking about then for several million? Who , if not gamers, will you be targeting as a market. How do you plan on targeting them? 3.Again - from the standpoint of a potential buyer - What are Icuiti's plans to upgrade tech support. Several million people calling you on your cell isn't gonna cut it I'd imagine? At what sales volume point will add'l tech support be feasible. Are there any thoughts(for you guys or do you think for other mfgs.) of tying into a major gaming OEM to give us access to their brand name and the support and protection that go along with it? 4. Your input on eMagin's Z800 is what? For an extra couple hundred dollars you get increased resolution , subsantially greater fov , with built in head track and mic. Do you foresee the M920 just playing second fiddle, or do you believe their is still a profitable market niche for being the low end alternative? Does Icuiti have plans to increase resolution and fov and when? What about built in tracking? Are you considering eMagin own OLEDs themselves for your SVGA MD's? Or are you waiting for Kopin to come out with same, or looking elsewhere altogether? Thanks for taking the time. Jim | ||
| Ken from icuiti Rating: N/A |
I cant see my TV from here and the superbowl is on, so this will be brief. 1. Right now we have more orders than we can fill from our website alone. Our production line is rapidly ramping up to meet demand. I agree with you that people want to see something before they plop down 5 BenFranklins. The obvious answer is we have to get our product into stores - but Im an engineer and thats not my call. Our sales people will be making that decision. 2. Im old enough to remember when the first PCs hit the market. If you asked a saleman "what can I do with this PC?" they said things like, "organize your christmas card list, file your address book, play Zork..." We have lots of ideas what products like the V920 can and will be used for, but I really think that once people get their hands on them, they will find their own applications. Our website has an excellent overview on direct view vs micro displays for portable applications. Once you give people the ability to use 640 or greater resolution anywhere, anytime, thousands of possible applications become possible. Gameing is only one. 3. Tech support for the V920 will be simple compaired to the VFX. There are no drivers needed for the V920, no software to load, nothing needs to be done except put your PC into 640x480 mode, and if you have a stereoscopic 3D card, to enable it. We plug into the VGA output, and the audio plugs into the line out or speaker out, and thats it. Using video from a camera or DVD is even easier, you just plug it in. We are putting a lot of thought into our user manual to keep tech support calls to a minimum. 4. We are looking at displays from all manufactures. I cant say too much about future products (until they are officially announced) but a tracker is on the top of our 'do-list' for the V920. As for other resolutions and systems, if you get a chance to goto the World Expo in Toyoko this spring/summer, check out the mixed reality display system in the Hitachi ride (and see whos name is on it It has cameras that allow riders to see the surronding environment, and has virtual reality (animals and other objects) intermixed with the camera video. The optics and image are outstanding. The handset looks like a pair of binoculars. The sytem is very expensive, but the system is desiged to show what can be done at the leading edge of current technolgy. resolution isnt everything. For people looking at video 800x600 doesnt give you any more than 640, because thats all thats coming out of your NTSC AV cable. As new displays become available at prices the market can bear, we will design them into our systems. Just had a thought, maybe we should put an 'engineers corner' on our website to answer these kind of questions? -Ken | ||
| Ken from icuiti Rating: N/A |
Oops, got my Expo location a little off. Its in Aichi Japan, not Tokyo website here: http://www-1.expo2005.or.jp/en/ http://www-1.expo2005.or.jp/en/venue/pavilion_private_f.html -Ken | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Ken, Have you guys considered the MG100 gyro as a cheap 2DOF headtracker? It works rather well. The old Intertrax30 used it. -Kevin | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Ken, You guys need to be working with those Japanese cell phone companies. i-mode and other data services would look so much better on a 42" virtual VGA monitor than on a tiny 2" screen. And, now, they're putting satellite TV chips in the phones. Who wants to watch TV on a 2" screen? Mike | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The Z800 is not a good idea if you want a viewer for your cell phone or portable DVD player or PDA or iPod photo since it requires a USB connection for power. I'm not sure why they didn't design it to run off a couple of AA batteries like the V920. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
cell phones are small enough to fit in your pant pockets, the v920 isn't plus it probably break when you sit. How many pair of glasses get broke everyday when you need to carry them. Just a bad idea since in public you want direct view screens not block out goggles. BTW USB way better than batteries that only last 4 hours. Shoot you'd be lugging batteries or lookinf for a charger just for your goggles on a long trip playing more than 2 DVD. Be better just to charge one set of batteries in your dvd player then running dual charges :/ why no 16:9 dvd viewing on v920? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
USB better than batteries??? How do you propose to carry a USB port around? On a laptop? ROFLMAO. So, with the Z800 you carry around a laptop just to stream video from your cell phone??? Pretty stupid. eMagin engineers blew it big time when they didn't make the z800 portable. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Neither of them is truly mobile. They obviously are not designed to be. You won't see that for a few years imo at least. Nobody is gonna lug the V920 around in their pocket with a supply of batteries 'just in case' the mood strikes them to watch the limited availablity streaming media that's on their cell phone. Both products will be site specific (whether an office , home , library , coffee shop , train or bus or airplane) where most people will already have access to a USB source since they are the same places people use their laptops and desktops. In that regard there is simply no comparison between the two products. It's simply a matter of whether you want to spend the extra money (and whether either of them is ever actually available). | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Not as much money in gimmick cell phone binoculars as you think considering most markets are subsidized phone markets. The money is in established Gamer markets not some cell phone meets star trek niche that has yet to appear. BTW, direct view wins out of over near eye or haven't you heard whether it's Korean DMB or Euro DVB-H. The V920 isn't giving what the gamers want, the highest affordable resolution, widest fov,head tracking and 1000X better pixel response in vibrant and extremely sharp easy on the eyes full color 3D under $1000. The Z800 fits the bill. Maybe there's a cell phone board you can pound your propganda on rather than taking up space on a board dedicated to stereo 3D for gaming that's moved well beyond what the V920 can offer. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The V920 was already demonstrated with the Matsushita FOMA cell phone model P900iV in Japan. The i-mode experience was supposedly awesome. As for gaming, no self-respecting gamer would be caught dead playing PC games at SVGA resolution. 1280x1024 is a minimum for modern games. Or maybe you're still playing Space Invaders? To the idiot above, nobody is going to watch TV on a 2" cell phone screen when they'll be able to do it on a 42" screen. And, it's shipping, unlike the Z800 which is still a fantasy. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
No one is going to lug any of these devices around to watch video off a cell phone. Can you be serious? But hey - why why not say 'nobody is going to watch TV on a 42" virtual display when they can do it on a 105 inch one'. Duh. And since you seem to think SVGA is a bust for gaming , that makes the V920 totally useless for gamers. Totally. But then again , you have no idea what a stereoscopic HMD is capable of , or you wouldn't post such silly comments. But hey - you let me know when I can actually order either of these things for overnite delivery and I'll take one , okay boss? Until then I'm tired of vaporware and people with silly timewasting ulterior motives here. Get a life. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I think the V920 does have a market out there. I'm not in that market though. Someone posted that serious gamers won't go below 1024x768. I disagree. I'm a serious gamer that plays at 800x600 with 4xAA and 16x aniso on. I opted for size (10' screen) over resolution and am very happy with the choice I made. I for one will be willing to trade size (FOV) for ghostless stereoscopy and headtracking when the Emagin unit hits the market. Then as technology progresses I'll upgrade from there. It's all trade-offs. What are you will to compromise to meet your bugetary limits? For some a $500 price tag is doable while a $900 one is not. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
steve.. -stop- please -stop- this crap -stop- you suck -stop- | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
ok its settled Z800 Vs V920 105" screen Vs 42" 40 degree fov Vs 26 511,200 pixels Vs 307,200 does 4:3 & 16:9 Vs only 4:3 headtracker-yes Vs not uses less power Vs not faster pixel response Vs not good for gaming and everything else Vs good for low res NTSC video $899 Vs $499 Competition is good but one is a BMW and the other a Ford. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
You forgot that one is shipping and one is not. One is a fantasy, one is not. And, yes, the V920 is shipping right now. It just takes 3 weeks to get down to your name on the list because of the heavy orders. The Z800 uses less power? You must be smoking something. Read the specs. The Z800 uses between 1W and 1.5W. You need the USB port off a computer just to power the thing while the V920 only uses 2 AA batteries. Portable is where it's at (cell phones, DVD players, etc) not a few hundred PC gaming geeks sitting around the house in their pajamas playing Half-Life on SVGA. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The V920 is a piece of crap that was promised to be the next best HMD on the market but never made it. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
V920 is using nearly 2 Watts and thats at low resolution VGA and thats without an integrated head tracker and that's without the PAL conversion chipset for those on the other half of the world that need it to play their video. Z800 could run much longer on 2 AA than V920 since the 1.5W is a stated maximum and not fixed like the lcd, thats the OLED difference and why portables will be going with OLED more and more in the future. Yah VGA goggles would go good with the new HD-DVD/Blue-Ray format and gaming consoles, think again, and think 720p or 1080p then think low power fast response OLED with wireless headsets. LCD is at it's zenith you just fail to see the top of the curve and the downward slope as it's being replaced. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
And he's been getting lied to about (and swallowing hook line and sinker ha) and losing boatloads of money in the stock(on its way from 40 down to 3) of the company that sells the crappy LCD MD's to Icuiti , just in case anyone is wondering about his motivations for being here. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
1. I am not Steve. I am John. I can't imagine anyone here would make THAT mistake. 2. I work for Ford so ease up on Ford bashing. BTW have you seen the new Ford GT? Fastest, nimblest, production Supercar in the world. Don't take my word for it, check Car & Driver along with some of the other enthusiast's publications. John (aka NOT Steve) | ||
| someone who knows Rating: N/A |
"V920 is using nearly 2 Watts ..." "and that's without the PAL conversion chipset..." By what authority do you speak? Have you tested one? What company or magazine or technical review website do you work for? If you have tested one, why are you posting your results anonymously on a message board? These products are going to hit the market big time, all of them. Its all good. As they are released they will be reviewed by people (magazines, website tech reviews) who are qualified to do so and who know what they are talking about. When they get out into the market, the market will decide what they are best used for. Capitolism is a beautiful thing. The people who work day and night to put out the best products will prosper. The people who put out trash will crash and burn. In the long run, there will be plenty of products for everyone, the customers will cast their votes with their credit cards. And in the end, the consumer wins. | ||
| MW Rating: N/A |
"Portable is where it's at (cell phones, DVD players, etc) not a few hundred PC gaming geeks sitting around the house in their pajamas playing Half-Life on SVGA." Anonymous, I hope you are being sarcastic. Do you realize how massive the PC gaming industry is? And PC gaming geeks? Ok, like you won't be called a geek while walking around wearing a headmounted display. Oh i forgot your kind don't walk anymore, they drive a Segway. Whats the big deal about portable anyway? I find it refreshing to get away from a tv and enjoy the world. I don't know why the Icuiti guys are still here trying to make us believe that their hmd is better than the Z800. The Z800 will be available soon and then Icuiti will not be able to use there last excuse "the v920 is shipping and z800 is not". What next, they will probably try to tell us that their hmd is very immersive even though it has no head tracking and the little 26 fov. | ||
| Devil Master Rating: N/A |
"A few hundred PC gaming geeks"? It's more like a few MILLION... OT: John, I agree with what you say about Ford, I recently drove a Ford Fiesta TDCi and I'm VERY satisfied of it. I would've said that the v920 is the *FIAT* of HMDs! And before someone who works at Fiat comes and tries to defend that miserable car factory: 1) EVERY SINGLE TIME I had an accident, I was driving a Fiat. And I also drove Opel, Nissan, Ford and BMW cars, so I know how Fiat cars are much more unsafe than the other brands! 2) I'm Italian, but I hate Fiat with a passion anyway! That said, I consider the v920 to be SUPERIOR TO THE I-GLASSES, because of the ridiculously high price the i-glasses have! If we had to compare those two with cars, I'd say that the v920 is a Fiat Panda sold for what it's worth, whilst the i-glasses are a Fiat Duna (considered by everyone the crappiest car Fiat ever made) sold for the price of a Maserati! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
This board has become just another boiler room operation for penny stock hucksters. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
whatever just b happy buy a hmd and get in the game | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
There aren't any worth having. No HMD on the market can display true HDTV resolution or even a decent resolution for gaming. When 1280x1024 comes, I'll be all over it. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
SXGA can be bought if you have $$,$$$'s. Right now SVGA is top of the line for sub $1000 pc market. Also field of view immersion is just as important even if its a tradeoff to resolution. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Orders now taken for the Z800 http://64.226.227.149/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=E&Product_Code=Z3V |
