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John weathers

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Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 9:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I have recently purchased "Jaws 3D" for my LCD Field Sequential glasses. The scenes with 3D effects that come off the screen do not seem to come very far off the TV. Now it seems reasonable to me that the absolute distance that an image comes off the screen would be proportional to the size of the image/TV. The ratio however would be fixed and would depend solely upon the amount of parallax between the left and right images.

Is this correct?

If so, then to truly get the effect of having say the shark swim "into the audience" one would need a big projection TV or a theater screen...

--John
hotanguish@hotmail.com
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martindibb

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Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 2:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I may be wrong but this is how I understand how far an image may appear infront of the screen

If you were imagine the eyes as a range finder.
Then an object should appear approximately half way between the TV and the viewer if the image on the TV screen is eye distance apart. i.e. Where the right eye's image is to the left of the left eye's image.

__TV__ SCREEN
R L
.\ /
..\/Point where object should appear to be
../\
./ \
L R
eye eye

The bigger the screen the better is the "in your lap" effect. But you have to watch the maximum separation for distant objects does not exceed eye separation. Or your eyes will try to diverge causing eye strain.

Gerrard
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Anonymous

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Posted on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 1:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

How big was the tv you were using? Where did you buy Jaws 3D?
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martindibb

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Posted on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 6:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I'd be interested where any of the well known 3D movies can be purchased. All sources I have seen are strictly amatuer.
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Alexander Oest

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Posted on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 8:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I bought six vhs movies from http://www.3dmagic.com/

The movies are OK, they were delivered timely and were even converted to PAL at my request.

The website says that they'll sell CDs and DVDs this fall.

Alex
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John Weathers

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Posted on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

My TV is a small 17" one (approximate - I've never measured). So when I watched "Jaws 3D" none of the effects were "in your lap" although they definitely looked 3D. I think I would need a large projection TV to get the shark and arm to float out of the TV towards me.

Anyways, I purchased "Jaws 3D" and "Friday the 13th Part 3: 3D" from a fellow off of ebay. The copies seem to have a problem with color distortion ("Jaws 3D" is too green in the right image) and "Jaws 3D" skips at a few points.

However, I found a fellow who actually owns the original VHD versions of both films. He will record high quality copies on video tape for those interested. Too bad for me that I already bought inferior copies.

Email me if you're interested in this guy's website where you can obtain contact information. The site is also pretty cool with a lot of information about the VHD format and its rise and fall in the Japanese market.

--John
hotanguish@hotmail.com
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John Weathers

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Posted on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 4:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Oh, yeah. BTW, the source for the inferior dubs that I bought was originally http://www.3dmagic.com so I would avoid them. My copies are not the original dubs that 3dmagic made, but I've been informed that the skips in my copies are from 3dmagic getting lazy in recording from the VHD format. The VHD devise uses a stylus sort of like a record player. Hence, the possibility for skips.

--John
hotanguish@hotmail.com
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David C. Qualman

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Posted on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 11:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Not to be a stinker about these movies, but I am really offended that they are selling bootleg videos. I also ordered some of these videos from a vendor on ebay - they are cheap copies in off-the shelf VHS boxes, labelled with magic marker.

If we as consumers of stereoscopic goods are willing to support a bootleg industry, then it is unlikely that a legitimate industry will consider us as commerically viable. Hence, we will see few movies newer than "Jaws in 3D" or "Cat Women From the Moon."

Dave
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Alexander Oest

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Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 7:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

David,

Is the bootlegging a fact?

I assume that 3dmagic has some sort of license agreement with copyright owners granting them the right to make tapes.

If you know otherwise, I'd like to hear about it.

Alex
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VRJUNKIE

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Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 3:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

David,

I don't agree.

Don't get me wrong - I am not condoning copying products that are comercially available, but the reason this is "allegedly" taking place is that there is no source for these movies. There are only cheap copies... Who in their right mind would go to the trouble of buying these if you could get quality first run copies from a reputable distributor?

It is a good indicator that there is a desperate (although small) market for these products! It would encourage me to enter the market if I was toying with the idea.

I would love to see all the 50's stereo classics come out in 3D.

Upteenth generation copies of say Friday the 13th will not damage the market in the slightest.

-VRJUNKIE
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John Weathers

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Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

First, 3Dmagic probably did have some sort of license although maybe they didn't which might explain why they no longer carry titles like "Jaws 3D" and "Friday the 13th 3: 3D" and instead only have titles of which no one has ever heard.

The copies that one finds on Ebay are dubs of these. However, the problems with some of these copies stem from lazy copying on 3Dmagic's part as is indicated by the skips and color distortion across the right image.

Second, I agree with VRJUNKIE.

I don't think these dubs between collectors will adversely effect the possibility of 3D movies ever seeing a legit release. Even though I own two such dubs, I know that I would leap at the opportunity to purchase a quality official copy. I think this probably goes for most of the people who care enough to track down these obscure copies of 3D titles.

The real problem lies in the perception of 3D as merely a gimick, the relatively few number of 3D titles available, and the lack of quality in the majority of the titles that are available.

--John
hotanguish@hotmail.com
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M.H.

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Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 8:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I am a bit lost in this discusion ...
Does exist any legal source of
good quality VHS stereoscopic movies
preferably in PAL format ?
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RD

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Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 1:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

DVD is the direction 3D movies are going in, the IMAX films being the first in line to be tranferred. As for existing movies being converted to 3D, that's a lost hope (like colorized movies-not the real thing).
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moviemaniac2003

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Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 6:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I dont see any problem with collectors trading 3D videos. I have been looking for any real movie in 3D but all I seem to find is low quality dubs or super low budget movies that no one has heard of. I personally have been trying to get good copies of Friday the 13th in 3D, Jaws 3D, Metalstorm, or any other non-low budget movie (I have heard they have released Event Horizon for field sequential glasses, if anyone has info on where I can get this please let me know). I would rather get original studio released tapes. I have been searching for a long time and havent found one. If anyone knows where to find them please let me know. Until then if anyone is interested in trading you can email me at moviemaniac2003@hotmail.com
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GregK

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Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 11:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I'll leave 3DTV's role in re-selling VHS versions
from VHD laserdisc alone. ..Not the best subject
matter for public posts. But I'll say if Universal
has a BIG problem with it.. they should re-release
Jaws 3-D in field-sequential 3-D ala DVD. Those
old bootlegs and VHD original discs wouldn't be
worth a dime then. ;)

But back the subject header: YES.. The bigger the
set.. the better the 3-D effect. When I went from
a 25" set to a 32" set, the 3-D effects improved.
Then I watched Jaws 3-D and a few others on a
friend's 60" front projection set. The 3-D effects
were a LOT better. No, it still isn't up to when
one watches 3-D on a HUGE comemrcial theatrical
screen, but it's not too bad either...

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