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     Alex Rating: N/A |
People, what can you say about Cy-Vizor goggles (by DAEYANG E&C)? Is it really worth thing or not? Any comments thanks http://www.i-glasses.com/Store/daeyangHMD.php3 http://www.personaldisplay.com | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
NO NO NO NO NO! DO NOT BUY NOR HAVE ANYONE BUY A CY-VISOR FOR YOU! Sorry for sounding so angry, however, I must warn you about this product! The Cy-Visor does not have a 1.44 million pixel LCD. It has a 480,000 pixel LCD which horribly imitates a 1.44 million pixel image by usage of field-sequential red,green,blue (RGB) technology. This means that you must have the LCD's colors set at its maximum RGB color depth in order to view an obviously failed-at impression of a 1.44 million pixel LCD image. Also remember that unlike conventional color depth which only affects the colors on individual objects (people,buildings,etc.), the RGB color depth affects the colors on the ENTIRE LCD image. If you don't understand what I just typed, I'll put it another way. Think of a color wheel with just three basic colors-red,green,blue. Set the colors at their maximum depth. That is where the Cy-Visor's extra resolution is based at. The problem with the Cy-Visor is that the green will always be stronger than the blue, the blue will always be stronger than the red, and you will lose all the color if you take away any more than 20% of the red. This means that if you have the Cy-Visor's colors set at their maximum depth, you will see too much green. Take away a little green, you will see too much blue, Take away a little blue, you will see too much red. Take away a little red, you will see black & white. You can also say good-bye to the resolution once you start adjusting the RGB (not that there was that much resolution there in the first place). Another problem the Cy-Visor has is that the LCD image is always blurry no matter what setting the IPD dial is on. And finally, the LCD image always flickers (this adds to the blurriness as well). I know about all this because I once owned this piece of crap. Take my advice, buy or have someone buy an Olympus Eye-Trek FMD-700 for you instead. It is a much better product than the Cy-Visor. I own it and am completely satisfied with it. The only problem it has is that as of now, there is no stereoscopic support for it. | ||
| Mike Rating: N/A |
The Cy-Visor is not blurry at all, gee you sure have a hard-on for this unit, it is a fine piece of equipment! | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
The Cy-Visor is the crap that sits on top of the crap that sits on crap. Get the point. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The point is that you are very childish and I would not believe a word out of your mouth! | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
Yes it is childish, but so is the Cy-Visor. The Cy-Visor's technology is dirt cheap (quality, not value) and is a giant set-back for HMD's, let alone, televisions. It is a disgrace to the entire industry. The Cy-Visor is that bad of a product. I literally have to force myself to lower my own standards in order to describe the Cy-Visor on an even level. I am regretably sorry if this offended any of you. It sure offended me. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Has anyone else noticed that companies are becoming simply dishonest. I read the spec for the Cy-Visor, and I was impressed. But then to read that it is a sort of smoke and mirror routine of resolution simulation via "field-sequential" technology...well, it just brings it down to earth. The companies that create personal display systems should realize that their customers are better educated than most....man o' man. Also, on a minor note why would "Mike" write that Krosse has a "hard-on" for a unit which Krosse did not like. That doesn't make sense. ;) | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Because it looks better on paper!!! | ||
| Andreas Schulz Rating: N/A |
'Becoming' dishonest ? Well, they have been advertising 225x266 RGB triads as '180,000' pixels for years, IIRC (I-Art, Canon, Sony, VFX - all of them). Thus, 800x600=480k pixels wouldn't look as much as an improvement as it really is (honest 480k vs. 50k) | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
Again, I apologize for sounding childish. I just wanted to inform all of you as to how horrible the Cy-Visor is. To buy the Cy-Visor would be a complete waste of your money as well as hooking it up would be a complete waste of your time. I have spent hours of research into finding a descent hmd ever since last October. Under great anticipation, in May, I received a product (Cy-Visor DH-4400VP) which was advertised to me by Daeyang E&C as a true 1.44 million dot (800 x 600) lcd headset display. Once I hooked it up and put it on, I was horrified! I continued on, spending hours upon hours into adjusting the picture every which way, hoping that the picture quality would improve. It didn't. Needless to say, I returned the product and scored a refund of my money. Since May, I have gone back into researching. I had my hopes up for the I-Glasses SVGA up until I spoke to Marty, a representative for I-O Display Systems, who told me that the I-Glasses SVGA uses the same technology as the Cy-Visor. A big no-no! Anyways, I decided to go ahead and purchase an Eye-Trek FMD-700 from Olympus. It promised a resolution of 720,000 dots, half of the promised resolution in comparison to the Cy-visor and the I-Glasses SVGA. I received the Eye-Trek FMD-700 three weeks ago and ever since then, I have been watching television, watching movies, and playing video games in hmd heaven! It is truly a superior product in comparison to the Cy-visor! The only drawback is that there is currently no stereoscopic modes or stereoscopic connectivity to the Eye-Trek. I would recommend the Eye-Trek FMD-700 to anyone who wants a true high-quality resolution hmd without the blurriness and without the flickering, however, I would not recommend it to those who must have stereoscopy. Reminder: To anyone has a "hard-on" for an hmd, you really need a girlfriend (or a boyfriend). | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Krosse You are a liar, the Eye-Trek does not even come close to the superior quality of the Cy-Visor. I have a Cy-Visor and use it everyday as a monitor and I would not trade it for 5 Eye-Trek units! I also use it for DVD and love it! I have tried your Eye-Trek and it is not as clear and the fit is off. You must really have it in for someone or some company selling the Cy-Visor, this is very clear. It would be nice if you told the truth but I see that is not possible. | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
You are an idiot! You can't even tell me and everyone else here your real name! It would be more likely for me to be able to trust someone whom calls themselves "dingbat" or "meathead" as in the television show "All In The Family" than someone who is just "anonymous". I wonder if you really ever tried the Eye-Trek FMD-700. I doubt it. You may have tried other Eye-Trek models, but remember, the Eye-Trek FMD-700 is four times better than those other Eye-Trek models. The Eye-Trek FMD-700 is a far superior product compared to the Cy-Visor DH-4400VP. This is true due to the fact that the Eye-Trek FMD-700 uses real television technology rather than the poor RGB color wheel technology, which the Cy-Visor uses. I have already gone into great detail about the reasons why the Cy-Visor is such a bad product. I have the ability to do this because I once owned a Cy-Visor. Anonymous, I am not interested in your statement about you not trading the Cy-Visor for five Eye-Trek units. I am interested in why you believe that the Cy-Visor is such a great product. Also, tell me your real name. | ||
| Mike Rating: N/A |
Ok Guy, I see you cannot read or understand English..so I will repeat myself,, You are a liar! the Eye-Trek does not even come close to the superior quality of the Cy-Visor. I have a Cy-Visor and use it everyday as a monitor and I would not trade it for 5 Eye-Trek units! I also use it for DVD and love it! I have tried your Eye-Trek and it is not as clear and the fit is off. You must really have it in for someone or some company selling the Cy-Visor, this is very clear. It would be nice if you told the truth but I see that is not possible. Mike | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
You're still an idiot. Oh well. | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
This is the information, Ryan. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Krosse - a fountain of knowledge or a constipated fool with no experience or brain mass with an axe to burry - you decide  | ||
| Miles Rating: N/A |
Yeah look I believe Krosse. He presented a good argument. Krosse, how much did you pay for that unit? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I dont trust any one else whether they give their name or not. Or I should say I would take thier opinions with a grain of salt, especially when their messages seem flamitory. Just as I take the specs/benchmarks of a product with a grain of salt, its always better to try before you buy. Quite frankly kross I dont see why you are so upset, you got your money back and found a product you feel is better, no reason to blow your top or to speak so flamitory. I can't imagine Cy-Visor being a totaly crappy out of place product, I'd imagine that some people may tolerate its problems more so then others, and may find its other qualities to more then make up for its price, if the product were truly bad as you say then they would find themselves soon out of business because people would (like you did) get their money back. And who knows maybe you got a faulty unit, or your unit was damaged, did you ever try it (like at a trade show or store) before buying it, did you even try to find out if you may have been given a faulty product? The way you laid out the situation it doesnt sound like you did. | ||
| Don Rating: N/A |
just don't know what you are on about Krosse. The I O Systems technology which you claim is same as the Cy-Visor I find satisfactory. Have had the X2 product for over a year and all is well. The only disappointment is that I asked repeatedly for a S-Video model that they claimed they didn't have. Then 2 weeks after purchase they did! | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
The reason I am comparing the Cy-Visor with the I-Glasses is because I was informed by an I-O Display Systems representative named Marty, that the two products used the same LCOS (liquid crystal on silicon) display technology. This type of technology uses a 480,000 pixel lcd, then bounces light from it to give the viewer the impression of looking at a 1.44 million pixel image. This technology didn't impress me at all. I made the mistake of buying it without first trying it, however, I couldn't find any place where I could try it to see if I liked it or not. Believe me, I searched around. Fortunately, I received my money back. Anyways, I understand there are some people who like the Cy-Visor and the I-Glasses. That's fine, however, I also understand there are some people who don't. If I had a faulty system, Daeyang E&C should have offered me a replacement system. They didn't. Obviously they are confident in the quality of their product. Besides, my Cy-Visor was in proper working order; it was the image I wasn't happy with. Needless to say, I am completely satisfied with my Eye-Trek. It will be the hmd I will be using at least until the first consumer hdtv hmd becomes available. | ||
| M.H. Rating: N/A |
Could anybody totaly independent make realy good quality comparison ? I have experiences with Eye-Treek and I have a VFX3D. The quality in monoscopic mode of Eye-Treek and VFX3D looks identical ... VFX3D in stereo have lover res. then Eye-Treek ... Can anybody (not Krosse) compare the Cy-Visor to this products ? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Anyone else here familiar with DLP projectors? Same principle as the Cy-Visor, except using micromirror devices insteas of LCOS. DLP projectors have very good images. As far as a 1.4 Million vs 480k pixel display goes remember this : 800x600 SVGA resolution = 480000 pixels. LCD panels use RGB triads to create full color pixels, so it takes three "LCD" pixels to create one 'SVGA' (if you will) colored pixel. Since most LCD manufactures seem to count each member of a triad as one pixel, you need 800*600*3 = 1,440,000 pixels to create a truecolor 800*600 SVGA image. With DLP (and similarly LCOS) however, each actual micromirror (one of the 480k pixels) rapidly cycles through the RGB values for the SVGA image, using color wheel technology, and the result is fused by your brain into the correct color. So one DLP (or LCOS) pixel = 1 SVGA pixel, so a truecolor 800*600 SVGA image only requires 480k physical elements. While I have not used the Cy-Visor, I use DLP projectors all the time, and the image is excellent. There does not seem to be a problem with the principle behind the Cy-Visor as far as I can tell. But again, I have not seen one. Just a ramble. | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
I know some people who work at a Bang & Olufsen store nearby. None of them recommend dlps and other projectors to their customers over the tft lcds and plasmas which they also sell. You have good luck with your dlp projectors because you probably have a high quality projection screen. Also, dlp technology does project a better quality image compared to other projectors due to its advanced technology. However, in most cases, screen displays such as tft lcds and plasmas are much better in image quality compared to projectors. | ||
| Miles Rating: N/A |
Dude Krosse.. I value your opinion if noone else does.. but please can you answer the question.. what did you pay? Got a URL for the specs? Thanks man | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Hmmm. I wasn't trying to compare DLP to a plasma display. It's not that suprising that extraordinarily expensive direct-view plasma screens would have a better picture than a $2,000 DLP projector. The comparison was only supposed to be between the principle behind single chip DLP projectors and that of the LCOS display in the Cy-Visor. I have seen 'field sequential color' aka 'color wheel' technology work, and work very well. (Again though, not in any form of HMD.) This is the principle that was discounted in a previous message. (BTW, anyone interested in comparing different projector technology,HDTV,HTPC etc. should check out www.avsforum.com Quite a bit of discussion on LCD vs. DLP) One last note, a good projection screen will never compensate for poor image processing. Just more rambling. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Could LCDs from projectors possibly be used for a homebrew HMD? I guess it would be hard to get the driver out too.. | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
Miles, the Cy-Visor cost $995.00. Shipping was free for me because I put the order through the company's shipping contractor. | ||
| Krosse Rating: N/A |
This is why nobody should dare purchase a Cy-Visor! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The Cy-Visor is an excellent product, Krosse is a raving mad-man! |
