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     Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
Just bought a pair of Simuleyes 3D glasses from Ebay and still trying to get them to work in D2. The test screen that comes on the disk works fine as does all the IRQ testing and page flipping tests. They all pass with fly colors. I used the D2 setup utility and have the Simuleyes VR selected. I have also copied the stereo.bat and LCDbios.exe files to the D2 directory. I have tried the D2 demo that comes with the glasses and the regular DOS D2 full version with no success. I reboot my computer into DOS and type "stereo" to run D2. While in D2 I can press the keys that alter the functions of the glasses and get feedback messages at the top of the screen. So I think D2 is running in VR Mode but the glasses do not turn ON. My video card is an Nvidia GeForce 4 and it may be that for some reason it is preventing the display in stereo while in DOS. I do have the latest drivers installed for the card and my monitor will do well at least 120 Hz for the refresh rate. Any help will be most appreciated. I want to see all of you in all of your glory (In 3D). | ||
| nobody Rating: N/A |
Ron,you should forget the sofware that came whith the glasses(geforce of any kind not supported,if i remember well). Install the nvidia consumer(game) 3dstereo driver available on nvidia site . You will find all information on this site(i mean stereo3d.com),if you take the time to search a little. | ||
| Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
Nobody: I am running the latest drivers from Nvidia with their stereo driver. I think that the nvidia drivers do not support DOS. Desecent 2 directly supports the Simuleyes glasses within the game. The reason that I copied the LCDbios.exe and the Stereo.bat to the D2 directory was because those were the instrucitons in the Simuleyes readme file. The stereo.bat file only calls the LCDbios.exe along with a game option to run D2 in high resolution mode. I figured that the LCDbios.exe was required because without it being run first the game sayes that the LCDbios is not installed. I have a pair of Elsa Revelator glasses also but they will not work on D2 because there is not D3D information that the Nvidia stereo drives can work with. I talked with the people at Edimensional and they also tried D2 with no sucess except they used the windows version of D2. Only in the DOS version of D2 are there options for VR devides. I guess then I am going to have to go to an older video card like 3DFX if I am going to get the 3D that I am looking for for Descent 2. The Elsa glasses work fine in Desecnt 3 but I only play one game and that is D2. Thanks for your help even though it is not what I wanted to hear. Ron | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
LCDBios will NOT work from within Windows. If you want to run old DOS games using LCD Bios, you must exit windows into DOS, or boot into DOS. | ||
| Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
Thank you. Yes I am aware that LCDbios only runs in DOS. I prefer to run windows but the software that came with the glasses was for DOS. I did reboot into DOS. I also have a pair of Elsa Revealtors that work fine in the test screens and in a couple of games that I have tried. Have not been able to get those to work in Descent 2 either. I have read on the Stereo3D.com web site concerning Pass Through Controllers and Descent 2. Very confusing the more I read the less clear it is as to which controller and glasses that I am supposed to use for getting Descent 2 to display in 3D stereo. I have sent an Email to the author of the Stereo3D.com web site with some questions but Have not received a response yet. Maybe someone else can give me a push in the right direction. Under the Game Compatibility listing chart and under Descent 2, it says that it runs flawlessly in 3D stereo so I know it is possible. Object: to play Desecent 2 in Windows in 3D stereo. I have the Elsa Revelator and the Simuleyes shutter glasses. Again I have an Nvidia GeForce 4 card with the latest drivers (45.23) with matching stereo driver. 1. Which controller do I build? 2. Which glasses do I use? 3. Are there any specific setups or command line options that I need? Thank you for any and all help. Ron Holmes | ||
| Andreas Schulz Rating: N/A |
OK, some personal experience and wild guessing:
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| Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
Thank you for responding Andreas: I understand that the Simuleyes will not work in a DOS window, you must use a full screen in a DOS boot-up. Page Flipping: Since I did get a stereo image on the test screen with the Simulyes and even played a couple of games with Revelator, I am assuming that my GeForce 4 can page flip with either of the glasses. The Windows version of D2 and the DOS version use the same mission levels and in multiplayer the versions can be mixed in one game. Both versions only require Direct X ver. 2.0. Just a note: Descent 3 requires Direct X 3.0 and the revelators work good on the demo. Unless I am missing something and I probably am, I am assuming that the stereo information in the Windows version of D2 is there as far as the way the graphics are put together in the mission levels, it's just that the game does not support directly any stereo 3D device. If I need to run D2 in DOS that presents problems on my end unless I put together another computer. I use Kali Broswer as an interface for mulitplayer play over the internet which is a Windows application. The joystick I use (Wingman 3D) does not have support for the twist on the handle in DOS. Audio chat that is available for in in game play is Windows based. have not found an audio chat that works cross platform (Windows/DOS) for coummincatiing while in game. So I really prefer to go the Windows route if at all possible. Even if I have to buy more 3D stereo hardware. In that case of course I will have to hide from my wife (Grin). I have set up my Nvidia stereo driver to display a D3D icon on the screen when it detects such a display. Whenever I get the icon on the screen the revelators function like they should. I do not get the icon when running Windows D2. Is there anyway to force the Nvidia stereo driver to process the screen information regarless of whether or not it determines if the display is 3D or not? Maybe another alternative if it is available and not to expensive would be hardware or software that would force page flipping or another stereo mode of whatever is displayed on the monitor. Do you have any suggestions in this area? Looking forward to your response. | ||
| Andreas Schulz Rating: N/A |
Guess I found something: The Descent2 engine seems to be OpenSource now, and there is the D2X Project where you can get an OpenGL version d2x-0.2.5_mingw.zip You will also need the libraries SDL-1.2.6-win32.zip and SDL_image-1.2.3-win32.zip from the SDL Project (unpack to your Descent install directory) As OpenGL, this will work with the NVidia stereo driver and any supported glasses (Simuleyes or Revelator). | ||
| Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
Andreas: Thank you, thank you. I don't know about D2 being open source but I do know that the source code is abvailable which I downloaded about a year ago. I will check out the links and let you know what the results are. I did run into a problem yesterday and have not got it resolved yet. It seems that after I ran the LCDbios.exe for the simuleyes, that when I go back into the test screen for 3D stereo in the Nvidia control panel that I have no page flipping now. The D3D icon is displayed in the bottom of the screen. The LCDbios.exe may not have anything to do with it, it is just that I noticed after I ran the .exe. The Revelators are switching but there is no stereo effect. The screen does not jiggle back and forth and the keys for depth, convergance, etc. do not seem to have an effect. But I can change the screen depth (16, 32 bit), the resolution and the refresh rate. I uninstalled the Nvidia stereo driver then the base driver. I then deleted the Nvidia directory and installed the Standard PCI VGA driver. Then installed the Nvidia base and stereo drivers again. I get the same result. I have Norton System works installed with GO BACK which allows me to revert my system to a previous date. I reverted back to the morning of the day I received the Simuleyes before I ran LCDbios.exe but that did not help. The medical test screen does display in stereo though. Any thoughts on what might be the problem? Maybe something in the Registery is messed up and cannot be fixed with just a regualar re-install of the Nividia drivers. And I do want to thank you again Andreas. Ron Holmes | ||
| Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
Andreas: I downloaded the D2X software and libraries last night and installed them. Use the Open GL .EXE I was able to turn stereo ON and OFF in the game. I could tell that the Convergence hot keys were working but not the others. I was using the Revelators for my test and of course since I am having a problem in the Nvidia Stereo Test panel, I did not expect to get stereo last night. If you do not know how to completely erase all traces of the Nvidia drivers I will write to Nvidia tech support and see what they say. I remember reading within the last year the process and locations in the Registry where Nvidia has planted itself. I did not get a chance to try the Simuleyes last night but will do so when I get home today. Ron Holmes | ||
| Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
First post did not seem to take so will try again. Sorry if this ends up as a duplicate. Andreas: I downloaded the D2X software and libraries last night and installed them. Use the Open GL .EXE I was able to turn stereo ON and OFF in the game. I could tell that the Convergence hot keys were working but not the others. I was using the Revelators for my test and of course since I am having a problem in the Nvidia Stereo Test panel, I did not expect to get stereo last night. If you do not know how to completely erase all traces of the Nvidia drivers I will write to Nvidia tech support and see what they say. I remember reading within the last year the process and locations in the Registry where Nvidia has planted itself. I did not get a chance to try the Simuleyes last night but will do so when I get home today. Ron Holmes | ||
| Andreas Schulz Rating: N/A |
There is a tool called something like 'Detonator Destroyer' that should do the job. If you prefer DIY, just search for nv*.* under the windows directory. There will be two larger groups of files with the same change dat, one for the Detonator and one for the Stereo files (check the file properties when in doubt) - move them somewhere else and delete them later, when you are sure you didn't remove a required file. In the Registry, search for Nvidia and delete the corresponding trees (one in HKLM\Software and one in - umm somewhere else..). | ||
| Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
Andreas: Great news. After I got rid of all references of Nvidia, LCDbios, Simuleyes and Revelator then re-installed the Video and Stereo drivers All was working well in the Nvidia Stereo Test Screen. I started the D2X GL version of D2 and after decreasing the stereo separation to almost nothing, I got a good stereo effect. Did a lot of testing with the stereo adjustments and was able to bring and object out of the screen approximately 4 inches but no more on my 19 inch monitor. I have not tried the playability with stereo or how the stereo will effect the playing against other players on the internet. Will need to do some testing in that area. I still have not tried the Simuleyes yet but will do that this weekend. The stereo effect is really fantastic compared to what I have been looking at for the last 5 or 6 years in the game. The Detonator Destroyer that you mentioned still left references in the Registry and left files in some directories. I manually deleted the references and use Regedit to get rid of the references in the Registry. I really appreciate all of the time, effort and help that you have put in trying to solve my specific problem. Now I ask you....Is there anything that I can do for you? I will give you more feedback in what I encounter as it may also help others who have similar problems. Thank you again Ron Holmes | ||
| Andreas Schulz Rating: N/A |
Never mind... some people play Descent, others Google ;-) Note that D2X seems to be an ongoing project, so if you find any problem, you shouldn't hesitate to contact the authors. | ||
| logfile Rating: N/A |
I'm also a Descent fan . The only game that I played to the end was D1 . Are you thinking of having a step by step procedure of how to get this game going in 3D so that anyone can do it easily ? Wink Wink. | ||
| Aig Rating: N/A |
Hello! The problem with D2 for DOS in stereo (SimulEyes)is that - IMXO all NVidia cards are not completely VGA compartible, e.g. them don't support Vesa and VGA interlease modes. Most of LCDbios-using games use not real page-fliping, but special VGA mode called line-doubling - sort of interlease. Mono - VGA 320x200; stereo - VGA 320x400 interlease with line-doubling. The other game from SimulEyes CD, Slipstream 5000 as I remember, uses real page-fliping and runs in stereo on NVidia cards. I had runed into this problem many time ago after replacing my old S3 Virge by new  Riva TNT. S3 Savage 3d supports this mode and so Descent 2 runs in stereo on it. Andreas, correct me, please, if I'm wrong. Best regards. Aig | ||
| Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
Thank you for your responce. I was not aware that Nvidia did not support the those modes. I had installed the LCDbios but my system did not like it so I reverted the hard drive back to an earlier date to get things back to normal. It was suggested that I take a look at the D2X project page. They have a Windows version of D2 which I have been able to display 3D stereo using my Revelator glasses. It was also suggested that I look for a pair of glasses that use Line Blanking as this would (As I understand it) allow 3D stereo viewing while not depending on the page flipping ability of your video stero driver. I am looking on Ebay for such an item and will give it a try when I find one. Thanks again for all of your help. Ron Holmes | ||
| Aig Rating: N/A |
AFAIR, one of the modes D2 supports is UP/DOWN mode (don't remember what VR device is it intended for), so you may use Sync Doubling supporting device (preferably hardware controlled Sync Doubling). AIG | ||
| Ron Holmes Rating: N/A |
Well it has been some time since I first started on the path of getting 3D stereo in Descent II. Using the official release D2x-gl with windows XP,I was able to get a good frame rate of 60 fps. loading Nvidia stereo drivers increased the frame rate to 76 fps. Don't know why the increase but also saw it happen with Win 98 SE. I was not able to use the latest stereo drivers as that resulted in a crash to the desk top when turning on the stereo drivers in game. I use the 45.23 Nvidia drivers and matching stereo drivers. I had bought 3 sets of stereo shutter glasses but am using the Revelators at the present time. I have not tried the Simuleyes or Eye3D shutter glasses since obtaining good results with the Revelators. I appreciate all the help that everyone has given and hope that someone else can benifit from my quest in 3D video stereo. Ron Holmes | ||
| niko83dk Rating: N/A |
I have the simuleyes glasses .. D2 don't wotk on dos with nvidia AGP card.. I just want to play to direct X games oon windows With lastes nvidia drivers 61.77 , the picture is double to fit with galsses but my glasses won't flicker ... only 640.480@75 htz make them flicker but no fast enought and not regulary.. ( and when the button is turn off only) Thank you very much to answer.. |
