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     rez Rating: N/A |
I am having a very negative experience with eDimensional glasses and an ATI Radeon 9800xt. I am not trying to be negative about any companies, I just think people should be aware of my experience because of the money and waste of time involved. Maybe someone else has had better luck. With eDimensional, the problem for me is, knowing which games to buy. With an ATI chip, their site is very deceiving. In fact, in my experience, I would say that the info on the site is completely false: "All the latest games, movies, graphics, websites and more come alive with our revolutionary new E-D® technology." Not with an ATI chip! They don't tell you that. On the games list page, it reads: "eDimensional is proud to offer exclusive support for the latest gaming titles with every video card using our own patented stereo drivers, including support for the latest video cards from ATI" So I bought their glasses and went out and got Flight Sim 2004. My favorite choice on their list of compatible games. Well the list is only good for Nvidia users. They don't tell you that FS2004 doesn't work with ATI. So now, the list is obviously useless to me. In my state, once you open software, you can't return it. I write and ask each time I find a game in a store I might want to try. Apparantly, the response can be a couple of days. They won't tell my why they won't make a list of known compatible games for ATI users. I don't get it. I only have 1 game that works. Medal of Honor Allied Assult. (although all the hot keys don't work) The rest I asked eDimensional about, will not work. I don't know how to find games that will. So, I have hit a dead end. So, my answer is to go with Nvidia. I plan on getting rid of this card and getting a PNY Geforce 6800 when it's available. Meanwhile, anyone know of or have a list of games that may work for ATI users now? | ||
| MrX1 Rating: N/A |
I have exactly same problem with my Radeon 9800 card and FS2004... The beta drivers for ATI cards have never worked with FS2004! Don't trust E-DUMBensional!!!! They are lying to their customers all the time...  (( Buy Nvidia card. | ||
| xgamer Rating: N/A |
if you actually read their site they say directly on it that FS2004 is nVidia only at the moment. it says it on the exact same page you claim to have read. almost all other games are now working quite well. I'm tired of all the bashing by people who don't take a few moments to read. Sure, the support isn't perfect, but it's better than anything else out there and continuing to improve. the latest version i've tested even supports almost all directx 9 games. | ||
| SV Rating: N/A |
Support team sends to me latest drivers, which should work with FS2004. But they didn't send instructions. Can you show me instructions how to run FS2004? I have installed latest Catalyst drivers and DX9.0b as well. But still no one game is working... The glasses are working, so I can only watch videos. But games are still not working. Please, could you send me step by step instruction, how to run FS2004 or any other game with E-D beta drivers? | ||
| Christoph Bungert (Admin) Rating: N/A |
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| oqvist Rating: N/A |
Yes stereo3d and ATI don´t go along together. That Edimensional are supporting them anyway is both good and bad. Edimensional is a very small company you can´t expect them to have such driver teams ATI and nVidia has. It´s really ATI that should support stereo3d. Now though it´s hard to criticize Edimensional for their poor stereo3d drivers but if they say they have support for it they should at least have it it to some degree. I had the stereo3d glasses collecting dust after getting my Geforce 4 ti-4600 RMA:d for free to a 9700. Now that rma is something I never regretted but it was quite clear from the beginning there was no stereo3d support for ATI. There was vrcaddy that never worked very well. In fact I think edimensional bought the vrcaddy and renamed them. Edimensional has also promised page flipping for what 12 month I think? Still no sign of it. And interleaving isn´t useful. I tried the ED drivers on my 9800 PRO on numerous games but the only one it would work with was UT 2003 and really. The images was way more rasterized than the first TV:s! Absolutely useless on my 21" monitor. So yeah it´s almost false advertizing that edimensional mention that they have support for ATI video cards and even have the ATI logo on them indicating that they have some cooperation ith ATI themself. Very limited one to say the least if they even have anything. I kind of got the impression it´s a one man show. But me I got the 6800 ULTRA and they work fine in FS 2004 which is the only game I tested yet so 100 % success rate so far. Now this experience is some months back so perhaps they got new drivers out that supports page flipping and do work. But really you should bash ATI either way it´s they who should develope these drivers not Edimensional. But ATI never say they have stereo3d support either so they aren´t falsely advertizing either. I got a bit burned waiting for the page flipping drivers that never arrived though. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
edimensional now supports almost every directx 8 and 9 game on ati and it works well. the drivers have more features than the nvidia drivers do. maybenot page flip, but if you get decent resolution then it looks just as good. they are not the vrcaddy drivers, if you look at the code and the certain other functions, it's clear to anyone who knows what they are talking about that it's not even similar to each other. people should stop speculating and criticizing when they aren't up to speed on what is really going on. i've been patient and yes i was frustrated for a long time with the edimensional drivers, but now they are wokring great and i can't wait for future updates when i bet they'll be even better. if your games don't work then you either don't have the right drivers or you don't know how to use them. you said you sent yours back a long time ago, so it doesn't help for you to post information for others that they think is current when it's not. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Hi anonymous I find what you have just posted very hard to take as nearly everyone on every Stereo 3d board and ATI fanboy boards that cover this issue report differently. My experience has been poor to say the least. So perhaps you can help all of us about how you have these drivers working. Specifically what is the config of your machine what card do you have what operating system what card drivers are you running what games do you have working with edims drivers what resolutions are you playing them at what artifacts exist in the games That would be a great help for everyone. Else, like everyone that has tried every fiddle they can think of to get these drivers to work at all will simply have to disagree with you. The reason why this is so blunt is that you should realise that people with ATI cards that buy this product will be wasting their money. That your 'advice' will be costing people their hard earned cash. That people who are technical and have prsevered with these drivers know how poor, how few games are supported and how difficult it is to get them working - if at all. That we care about others not to make the same mistake or to waste their leisure time in an unproductive and frustrating activity. In short if you want to 'enjoy' 3d then the only way to go is Nvidia. This is not to knock edim. They are doing what ATI should be doing. I applaud them. However, to 'promote' something that works very poorly on a public forum that will cost people money and heartache is pretty poor form. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Here's my setup: I have a Radeon 9700 Pro. My experience so far (with the latest Beta EDController Version 3.9.2.0): Far Cry : looks great Doom 3 : No Open-GL support yet.. Unreal Tournament 2004 : Works well Grand Theft Auto : Vice City : Works pretty well, had to force 120hz in control panel. Normally the E3D software takes care of this, but failed with GTA:VC Planetside : Works pretty good, a couple graphical glitches. Microsoft Flight Sim 2004 : Works exceptionally well. Cockpits are amazingly 3-d. Combined with TrackIR head tracking, this is really awesome. Midtown Madness 2 : Works ok, some glitches. Overall I'm pleased with the drivers right now. They will continue to get better and so I'm sticking with my ati card for now. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
You made two glaring mistakes in your review. 1. "No Open-GL support yet" Yet being the operative word here. 1. "They will continue to get better" These statements are quite appropiate for a software developer attempting to sell his product. As an end user these two points would tend to be delivered as assumptions based on information provided by the developer. Yet you have made them statements of fact. Ergo I question your credibility as a source of unbiased reporting of the facts. I for one am willing to wait for Christoph's or some other verifiable credible source's review of the drivers/wrappers before I spend my hard earned money. John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
?? That's what the email from tech support said when I wrote back and told them Doom 3 didn't work. They said they are working on OpenGL. So I would guess it's coming at some point. How could they not get better? almost every edition that has come out recently has made noticeable improvements. they went from nothing to something, so it can only get better. i'm not making any statements of facts. try the correct drivers yourself and you should have the same results. then you can decide your own facts | ||
| David C. Qualman Rating: N/A |
They might not get any better because of limited resources. With the limited quality of the eDimensional drivers, the number of customers is limited. So, the amount of revenue is limited. So the amount of time the developers can work on it and receive paychecks could easily be limited. Keep in mind that VRStandard and X3D have both abandoned the gaming market - eliminating page-flipping support for ATI from the market. Wicked3D also gave up on their game wrapper. They just couldn't get enough money to stay alive. Besides, eDimensional is always chasing the games that they support. nVidia is ahead of the game, since stereo is built into their driver. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
That's not true, the drivers are not game specific. plus, no one is acknowledging that the improvements over the past month or 2 are substantial, why would they give it up now? they told me they have lcd support almost ready as well, so it certainly appears like they are the only ones making advancements and have no intention of leaving the market. i think just about everyone here speaks without knowing the real facts and it only makes it worse. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
"I think just about everyone here speaks without knowing the real facts and it only makes it worse." Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.... All the guys that have posted including me who asked for details of your set up are 'old hands'. I can chase my experience back to Scitech drivers, wicked and the rest. I know what 'good' stereo drivers should do and edims don't deliver. We are trying to stop people from wasting their time amd money as we have. At the moment I have tried a number of the the 'debug/beta' versions and they do not cut it. By the way you left out some very important pieces of information: what cats are you using what version of direct-x what motherboard and processor what resolutions are you playing these games what artifacts are exist which distracts from the 3d effect Thanks | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I'm not wrong. People who say, edimensional is just 1 person or they have a small team working on it or that they have not made an update in a year have no idea what they are really talking about, they are just speculating or trying to get attention by posting something negative. People who post specific game issues is how this forum should work, then let others try and help. i for one seem to have more games working than some others and so i'm happy to try and help. I also have experience with stereo since before wicked3d. Additionally, the information you asked for is mainly irrelevant. The version of cat drivers, directx and motherboard really makes no difference. But just so you don't keep asking, I'm using drivers 4.8, DX9, a P4 3.0 at 1024x768. | ||
| oqvist Rating: N/A |
No the truth is that edimensional has promised page flipping for how long? Do they got it yet??? It´s at least 12 months since they said they where working on it. And Interleaving. When I tried it with my 9700 PRO neither FS 2004, IL 2 or LOMAC would work with it at all. UT2003 it did work but that interleaving. Either something was just wrong but those lines how can anybody live with that without getting headaches? I thought something was wrong but people said that was the way interleaving works. Even when I had my Geforce 4 there was both the interleaving and page flipping option and page flipping I used 100 % of the time and yes it worked excellent with FS 2002 and IL 2 which was the games I had then. Now is there anyone here who think interleaving is nearly as good as page flipping? And again from what I have seen they don´t have page flipping yet? Again it´s great that edimensional tries to increase the value of their products but they shouldn´t market it as "we will have page flipping soon" as they did. They thought they would have it within some weeks several times I spoke to the do they got it yet? I have seen many many people buying stereo3d glasses while sitting on ATI cards just because edimensional has the ATI logo on their web page and say they support them. Just to be disappointed that the drivers don´t work at all. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
again, not true. not only has edimensional not had ati drivers for 12 months so that would be impossible, but they do work with all of the games you mentioned. Most people that i've seen have had those games working for quite some time. I'm not saying interlaced is better than page flip, but those games do at least run in 3d and at higher resolution they look just as good. Stick to the facts and constructive dialogue, not blatant exaggerations and outdated assertions. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Anonymous Everyone here is sticking to facts. We've all spent our money. Spent time getting edims drivers NOT to work. No one here are novices and everyone here has direct experience of edims drivers NOT working with ATI kit. Sticking to facts is something you should do. I posted above that the statement "I think just about everyone here speaks without knowing the real facts and it only makes it worse." was wrong. IT IS. Please don't insult us with saying we have not tried this or that. We all HAVE. THATs the POINT. As for playing Far Cry in Stereo at 1024*768 at acceptable frame rates on a 9700pro...well I'll leave that to your imagination...you seem to have a lot. Also does it not seem strange that no-one, not one other person supports what you claim? By the way. No-one who has seem page flipping and interleaving would choose interleaving. And they don't run games at a higher resolution as interleaving cuts the vertical res in half thats why you have those ugly black lines across the image and the performance hit is too high for good frame rates. | ||
| oqvist Rating: N/A |
Believe me I am speaking purely facts. Facts that was true 2 month ago  . Now edimensional had beta stereodrivers a veeeery long time ago and I think I got them the first week or something. Of course not expecting wonders but still. If Edimensional don´t have page flipping now it´s more than a year definiatly. My tweaking capabilities may be limited but I have never got a game to look acceptable in interleaving mode whatever resolution wherever page flipping those games supported I got running without a hitch on nvidia of course. Now it´s easier to see who you are talking with if not everyone is anonymous | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
can't win here. i'm going to just go to some of the other boards where people have them working much better than anyone here and they actually try and post useful information, not just complaint after complaint with no actual real data. Out of every post in this thread, no one has posted anything specific except myself who posted actual game results and an actual pc configuration. It's just a bunch of whining. Hope you all resolve your problems so you get the results that I have. | ||
| oqvist Rating: N/A |
No you can´t win because how can you say 10 people who tried the damn things don´t know what they talk about. How are you helping people by fooling they work almost as good with ATI cards as with nVidia. 95 % of the people can´t get it to work in the games you mention I sure couldn´t!! It´s a bunch of whining to prevent people doing the same misstake. Get the damn stereo3d glasses when they actually work well WITH page flipping support with is 10 times better. I don´t know how many who actually preferr to run interleaving instead of just putting their stereo3d glasses in a desk collecting dust praying to good they will actually have drivers that work! Again since ATI obviously thinks it´s a huge undertaking and Edimensional has so damn major problems getting the page flipping drivers out you would be a fool to order these glasses if you own ATI cards. That has been the truth as long as stereo3d has existed and is so even today for 90 % of the people out there. Then 10 % are very happy congratulations for you but what would you say if someone would ask you? Stereo3d is an awesome addition to your gaming when it works. When it don´t it is guess what useless. Spend your money on TrackIR instead only buy stereo3d glasses now if you own nVidia it´s as simple as that. Otherwise we will just get more and more users who whine about this because some guy in these forum insisted that they work splendid get my point? You don´t realize that the majority of the people if not all in this thread has actually owned the glasses and an ATI card and are whining because of that? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Ogvist here here! I wonder what boards he's talking about that have more success than this one? I know most and only two seem worthwhile and have active people who like to dabble and share. As for Annonymous who seems to think that edims drivers with ATI work for all games....that you can play Far Cry in Stereo at 1024*768 with good frame rates and who obviously has not seen page flipped stereo... Well even if he has it working in 6 games thats NOT all games and hardly factual. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
i had an ati card and got so mad cause i could not get glasses to work. i got a nvidia card and BOOM almost all games work. there are very few that don't . to all of you i would go out and get a new card. take your ati out in the road and smash it. when i pluged in my i-glasses it worked first time, with my shutter glasses it worked first time. now this is all fact. nvidia has better drivers and customer support. |
