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     Puppet Kite Kid Rating: N/A |
Well, I got the eD glasses and dongle, today, and not only are they showing the dreaded 60Hz flicker on my computer LCD screen in page-flipping mode, they are going in and out of phase every few seconds from "normal" stereo to "pseudo" stereo, and they're not working at at any other refresh rate. Line-blanking also shows the same problems, and also the line-blanking mode is incredibly dark. Even page-flipping dims the display more than I ever noticed with a CRT, but not bad enough to really hurt, IMO. The "in and out of phase every few seconds" problem reminds me of the time I tried to watch 3D on my TV with my shutterglasses hooked to my computer... the problem looks identical, AFAICT. Also, I noticed this following problem once before when I tried to hook up a 3D dongle to my LCD screen... just hooking up the dongle (with or without the shutterglasses on) produces annoying display artifacts that are visible without the shutterglasses, when I try to use the monitor for normal use. It's hard to describe, but it sort of looks like when you hook up an S-Video cable... there is a definite "downgrade" in the picture quality. One other problem I have is I see no way to turn the shutterglasses off and on. I downloaded that little "utility" from eD that is supposed to do that, but it doesn't work, ASAICT, and I had to resort back to using my old "X3D Controller" to turn the glasses off and on. BTW, the thing that must make the eD system (almost) work for an LCD screen is in the glasses, not the dongle. Since they are *identical* to my X3D glasses and dongle, I am able to swap the parts to see where the changes are, i.e., both the X3D dongle and eD dongle produce the same results, but the glasses are obviously different, even though they physically look the same. I can't even see the LCD screen with my X3D glasses. I guess I'll wait and see what other people say about all this stuff... maybe there will be solutions. I don't see a support forum on the eD site, so I guess I'll watch the stereo3D forum for comments. PKK | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
you're incorrect on a number of issues. the dongle is different, it supports line codes that are required for proper viewing of LCDs that are not contained in the X3D dongle. I don't get any of the in and out on mine, perhaps your transmitter isn't working right or you're using the wrong dongle | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I'm sure after Puppet guy steps back, takes a deep breath, and carefully reviews his setup, he may get his glasses working after all? | ||
| Puppet Kite Kid Rating: N/A |
Are you guys seeing a flicker? I have the correct dongle and glasses, and I'm using the wired glasses. BTW, I am using StereoPhoto Maker and StereoMovie Maker for testing. I never did get any "software" to install from the eD CD. I've got current Nvidia drivers installed. Do I need additional software? I hate to reformat my hard drive, but in my experience, that's usually the best cure for problems like this. I think I'll wait for more people to report about the glasses before I do that. PKK | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
What do the(ED's) support have to say about this. It would be intresting to know. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I don't understand how you can get these shutter glasses to work on a PC with an LCD? Aren't these the same as the razor3d? Just using nvidia detenator drivers? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
no they are different glasses and different dongle. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Says who? | ||
| Puppet Kite Kid Rating: N/A |
I just reformatted my computer hard drive, installed the Nvidia display and stereo drivers (yes, properly, with same version numbers) and the R3D Controller. I'm not making any *obvious* mistakes, e.g., wrong dongle, wrong R3D Controller settings, etc, and as before my reformat, I'm still getting a 60Hz flicker with both page-flipping and line-blanking modes (and I expected that) and the stereo effect is progressively (slowly) going in and out of phase from normal to reversed 3D (making stereoscopic viewing totally unusable). If the "in and out of phase problem" wasn't there, I would have, at best, the same stereo qualities as when I watch field sequential 3D on my NTSC interlaced TV, which the only exception that my LCD monitor is brighter in page-flipping mode (but still unusable at the moment because of the "in and out of phase" problem). So... this is starting from scratch, with a totally clean reformat and re-installation of my PC's original "from the factory" settings, plus the Nvidia driver upgrades. Also, BTW, I was unable to install the drivers off the eD CD. Everything goes fine until you try to install the stereo driver, and then you get an error message saying "can't find the file". At that point, I just DLed it from the Nvidia web site... (yes, again, both display and stereo drivers are the same number). I'm dead in the water. I don't know if I should wait and see if future eD software solutions will solve these issues and/or use it as another stereo setup with a CRT (which it does seem to work fine with my CRT when I changes the whole setup over to that monitor). PKK | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
are you using the correct e-d controller in LCD mode? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
How is the eD dongle different than the razor. eD is just a razor3d rebrand. I would like to know the difference because I believe that is BS. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
if you don't believe it then just try it yourself. Don't you think razor and e-d would have been advertising LCD support for years if it really worked considering LCDs are so popular? razor does not make or sell lcd compatible glasses. the lenses are different and the line codes in the dongle are different. | ||
| Puppet Kite Kid Rating: N/A |
Yes, I am using the R3D Controller, DLed from the eD site, and have tried both LCD modes, plus I have tried both interleaved (line-blanking) and page-flipping and I get the same results; a progressive (gradual) shift from normal stereo to reversed stereo every 6 seconds or so, ending in a sudden, split second "pop" back to normal stereo, then a repetition, over and over, of this *cycle*. I can't explain it any better... that's exactly what is happening. It was happening before and after a fresh hard drive reformat. PKK | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Ok then who makes the E-Deduh Razor3D does. It worked well LCD then razor3d would work as well. I don't believe there is a difference and yet to confirm that either work with lcd. | ||
| MAYAman Rating: N/A |
I have the LCD kit as well and I'm using a Dell widescreen 26" LCD with 1280x768 resolution at 60hz. I don't get any 3D at all, just one lense flicker and the other black, or just flickering of both and no 3D.  Please help | ||
| Christoph Bungert (Admin) Rating: N/A |
O.K. this comes a little late, but I think there's an explanation for the sync problems Puppet has. I have the same problem on my DLP. All digital displays and projectors have a digital buffer. This buffer causes a time-gap between input signal and image on the screen. The larger the time-gap the more ghosting you'll get. To make things worse on some displays and projectors the time-gap isn't stable. If the display doesn't lock onto the sync of the input signal (i.e. doesn't wait for VSync) you can forget using shutterglasses. Christoph | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Does E-Dim qualify which LCD displays they claim will work and which are known to not work? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I have a set of these glasses and they are working (almost) perfectly! I think I can see PKK's problem - he keeps referring to 60hz flicker. The refresh rate needs to be set at 75hz minimum. If your LCD can't go as high as 75hz then I'm afraid it's a new monitor required. I have an AG Neovo e-17 LCD monitor with max 85hz refresh. At 1280x1024 75hz 32bit color it produces 3-d quite superbly. ChrisC | ||
| bigtabs Rating: N/A |
I think ChrisC may well have hit the nail on the head. My CRT looks crap at 60hz. 75hz minimum I'd say. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
It's possible ED sent the Puppet an old Dongle are there any codes on the Dongle and glasses to distinguish them from older CRT versions. Put the pressure on ED's support for help. | ||
| Puppet Kite Kid Rating: N/A |
Nope, I've tried all the available refresh rates, with identical results... a poor, ghosted stereo image that goes progressively (slowly) in and out of phase almost precisely every 5 seconds. If I was the only person having this problem, I would be apt to blame it on my monitor or the dongle, but that doesn't seem to be the case, does it? :-) PKK | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I think I read that the glasses do not work in page flipping mode. What is the pixel response of your monitor? What resolution are you running at? I tested my older 3-D glasses with my dell 2405fp and they kind of worked. The response time on my dell was not fast enough. I have the older series 2405fp with the 12ms response time. I was viewing images at 1920x1200 native resolution. Ghosting only went away when I lowered the brightness drastically. My dongle is not a special LCD dongle nor are my glasses special LCD glasses. I have to tilt my head 90 degress for the image to be at its brightest but other then that, everything seems to work. I bought these over 3 years ago. I am also curious about the dongle. What is the difference btwn the LCD and the CRT dongle? Please explain why they have to be different. If what Chris says about the buffer is true, then I guess what would happen is that the image would look like it was tearing correct? Is this what you experienced Chris? | ||
| Christoph Bungert (Admin) Rating: N/A |
When the time-gap is unstable the amount of ghosting is constantly changing. Christoph | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
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