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Jim

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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 3:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Received this email today from eDimensional, sounds interesting...anyone try it yet?

A Revolution in 3-D Entertainment! New Real Time DVD Conversion Software for the E-D Glasses!

eDimensional is proud to release the world’s first real-time 2-D to 3-D conversion software for DVDs. After years of testing and research, utilizing advanced patented algorithms, ANY DVD can now be instantly converted into stunning 3-D right in front of your eyes. 3DPlus by eDimensional works with any 3-D accelerated video card and a typical PC. Actors appear lifelike and scenery comes alive as you become immersed in the imagery and action of your favorite DVD.

Renown for their amazing effect on PC games, the E-D glasses which can automatically convert virtually any gaming title into true 3-D now have expanded compatibility to include DVDs. Current customers do not need to upgrade their hardware. Simply purchase 3DPlus and instantly begin viewing normal DVDs in stunning, realistic 3-D. 3DPlus works with all of the most popular chipsets, including nVidia, ATI, Matrox, and others. Technology Director Charlie Beekman says, “eDimensional believes in providing our customers with the tools to create their own E-D experiences. Rather than providing a limited selection of content which must be purchased on an individual basis, with our 3-D Combine and now 3DPlus software, consumers have a suite of applications at their disposal to do just that.

Previously there was very limited 3-D content available, which was filmed using expensive 3-D cameras and carried a hefty price tag. 3DPlus provides an equal or superior level of quality at a consumer-friendly price. The retail price of the software is $49.95 and is $39.95 when purchased with the E-D glasses.

Based in technology hotspot Northern Virginia, eDimensional, Inc. is the leading 3-D entertainment company in the world. Makers of the E-D glasses, eDimensional is dedicated to providing the most cutting edge and cost effective virtual reality solutions to the mainstream consumer. Numerous product reviews and awards by gaming industry leaders, as well as company and product information are available for viewing at the company’s website, www.eDimensional.com or by contacting sales@eDimensional.com.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 11:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

edimensional did not develop this software.

I would advise buying direct from the real manufacturer.

http://3dplus.ssc.co.kr/
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Jim

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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

So I can call Korea for technical support and pay to have it shipped over? If I wanted to do that, I'd have bought the Eye3d glasses direct from I-art.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 1:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

You can buy online and have it delivered, they will also e-mail you updates as they become available.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 4:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Anyone tried the 2D-> 3D conversion software from
http://www.3dworld.com/


They have converted 3D footage of the World Trade Center attack.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 7:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Seeing is believing?
Do not expect too much with those. You guys will be just paying right price for what you get.

Hey ---people using this BB for advertise ---

Please act fair and square.
Do NOT pretend that you are just a 3rd party. And please DO NOT exxxxxxaggggerate.
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Ged

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Posted on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 6:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Hey,
I posted:

Anyone tried the 2D-> 3D conversion software from
http://www.3dworld.com/


I live in England and not part of 3DWorld I only was curious if anyone had tried it. Such as Christoph had done a review.

Ged (AKA Anonymous)
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Anonymous

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Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 3:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Ummm. Gee... WTC attack in 3D... what are you sick?
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Ged

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Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 11:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Dear Anonymous,

My intention was not to glorify the WTC attack, what happened was an enormous tragedy and great act of evil. I apologise and am sorry if you took offence.

Around the time of the WTC attack there was great discussion at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/photo-3d/

If you care to read the archives of the above group.
Read the issue of STEREO WORLD "Vol. 28, #4, 42 pp: Color Issue; Documenting 9/11 In Depth, Afghanistan in Better Times etc..." of the National Stereoscopic Association (NSA) http://www.stereoview.org/stereoworld.html which commemorates that day.
read
http://www.ny3d.org/pages/newspage.html
http://www.dddesign.com/temp/wtc911.jpg

You will learn that these people are not sick they were moved to make a memorial to all those who lost their lives, lest we forget.

Just as on Veterans day we remember those who died for our freedom today. Showing images of war/ tragedies etc is not sick if done for the right reason. The article at http://www.3dworld.com/ (which has now been removed incidently) if you watched it you will have learned that it too was a memorial to those who lost there lives.

Many tragic events in history have been recorded in 3D such as WWI, WWII, US Civil War, Crimean war. They stand as a testament to Humanity. I'm glad they exist.

The members at Photo-3D views were that this moment in World history should be documented using stereoscopic photography. Especially as there were offical 2D photographers allowed to document the aftermath. So that future generation may never forget what occured that day.

Stereoscopic photography is the ideal medium as it records how we naturally view the world.

Ged
PS
It's a shame you weren't 'man' enough to put a name and email address to your supercilious postings.
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Christoph Bungert (Admin)

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Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

###Ummm. Gee... WTC attack in 3D... what are you sick?###

Seeing this a gazillion time in 2D is O.K., but seeing it in 3D is politically incorrect?

I don't need 3D-footage of 911 and I have general reservations against 2D-to-3D conversion anyway, but this statement is just too illogical to bear.

Christoph
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anonymous

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Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 8:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

So does this new software just create a flat image that seems to float in front of the screen, or does it attempt (emphasis is on the word *attempt*) to create stereo pairs by morphing the images? Has anyone sen it working?
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ged

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Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 6:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I have seen it working, it tries to create parallax for different depths, but it can be VERY hit and miss.

Only the "cheapest" of software just shifts the whole screen in and out! This type is just a big con!

I personally am not a fan of the Movie 2D->3D process, IMHO the only reason it exists at all is because of the sheer lack of true stereoscopic material. (having siad that there are some very good 2D->3D stills converions.)

Hollywood movie studios seem very reluctant to realease any of their 3D prints. I suppose if they thought there was a market they would.

Ged

The software 3dCombine can do it in a fashion.
http://www.3dcombine.com
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williek

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Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 12:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I've seen it working as well, and that's not how it works at all. It uses different algorithms depending on the direction of movement, all working at once to determine the appropriate depth cues for each part of the image. It's not a simple frame delay like 3dworld (talk about cheap). My personal experience is, while it's not going to fly out past your ear, it's the best real-time dvd conversion I've seen. And to be quite honest, I saw the slingshot package and I think this software looks as good as any of the IMAX 3D titles.

I'm not really sure where the "con" was in this post.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 8:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Dear friends,

What I can tell you is,
Just try it to find how well 3D conversion can be made by 3Dplus v.2.0.
It is totally different from v.1.0.

I heard Manufacturer will release free download version (15 times) soon to public.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 11:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

That might be so, but simple Pulfrich glasses would work with ALL the demo videos posted on 3dplus's website! http://3dplus.ssc.co.kr/SSC_EN/
Without the expense of software conversion.

Let's get real, a true test for the software would be to supply it with a DVD with random left/right/up/down/zoom in/out motion. NOT constant left to right motion. It's obvious this would work.

I await with anticipation for the release of 3DPlus v2.0 demo.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 12:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I am a cynic, but I am a good critic also.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 6:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

2D to 3D conversion is a piece of shit.
They only use Pulfrich method.
Why not buy a simple pendulum effect glasses for less than 0.40 Dollar?

Just forget about 2D to 3D unless they should be done off line with human brain guided retouches.

Sorry for decorum.

Shitless
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Anonymous

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Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 8:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Thanks for your pearls of wisdom!

2D->3D conversion only exists because of the lack of genuine Stereoscopic material.

I'm willing to give the program a trial run and I 'll let you know "shitless" how it fairs.
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Dave Austin

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Posted on Friday, October 04, 2002 - 5:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Back to my comment, about seing the WTC attack in 3D... I didn't say GED was sick. I ASKED if he was sick. His explanation should have been forthcoming without taking offense, as the matter was unclear and his resulting reply absolved him from suspicion of complete inhumanity.

Nevertheless the fact remains: Advertizing a replay of the tragic ending of human life in any format, 2D, 3D, or a bazillionD is in NO WAY a fitting memorial to any of the 3000 lives that were lost.

A worthy memorial to human life memorializes NOT THE DEATH, but the life. Otherwise it COMPLETELY trivializes the life (in this case 3000 lives), and thereby trivializes the gravity of the unconscionable act that precipitated it. How do you think the terrorists justified thier actions? By trivializing those lives, by focusing on their impending death. And people trivialize life everyday all-day watching regular TV programs filled with exploding buildings and shootings, simulated or real ...it makes no difference; we've got enough of those kind of memorials. But start showing details of the lives of those loved ones now gone and people change the channel in a hurry. Too uncomfortable. Too close to home. Too touchy feely.

Thats wrong. That's wrong, and we don't need 3D to further encourage that kind of inhumanity.

Consider all the emotional diarrhea that networks and other slimebags regurgitate to make a profit off of 9/11 (ex: "memorializing those lost lives with this 2 hour video of the tradgedy! Blah, blah, blah, aren't we sensitive, and won't you be if you buy it") - lies and misguided efforts. You really want to be part of that?

Intolerance of inhumanity in any of it's forms is everyone's moral responsibility, especially since it was inhumanity that caused the tradgedy in the first place. So not only do I feel justified in questioning the "WTC attack in 3D" effort, but obligated in showing some unpopular mettle against it. GED, your intentions might be right, but it's the wrong thing to do.

Would you want to watch a 3D replay of your mom getting run over by a car? Again, and again? And have it advertized on the WEB for everyone to see? Then promoted as a tickler to purchase a product? Then when you said "what the h---", they responded with "Take a chill pill, we were just memorializing your mom. How dare you suggest otherwise."

I didn't think so.
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Ged

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Posted on Friday, October 04, 2002 - 6:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I can't agree with you enough Dave, showing the WTC attack in order to promote software was in questionable taste.

Happily the company appears to have removed it, so perhaps they read this board?

Fianlly, my mentioning the website and its content was not an endorsemnet of its ethical validity. Hope this closes this chapter :)
Ged
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Christoph Bungert (Admin)

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Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 10:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

###it's the best real-time dvd conversion I've seen.###

Yes, it may be the best in existence, but...

###I saw the slingshot package and I think this software looks as good as any of the IMAX 3D titles.###

I compared the native 3D version on 'Encounter in the third dimension' against the 3dplus 2.0-converted flat version. 3dplus 2.0 is nowhere near the real 3D version. Every single frame of the native 3D version is superior to the conversion.

3dplus is for material which doesn't exist in native 3D, so this comparison is a bit unfair. I just want to make clear that conversion doesn't play in the same league as native 3D.

Christoph
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Anonymous

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Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 8:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Christoph, does 3dplus 2.0 support pageflipping?
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Anonymous

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Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Could not get it to work, tried different resolutions and bit color with no luck, froze my system!
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jim

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Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

no, sync doubling
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Gabor Laufer

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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 5:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I couldn't resist and I bought 3dplus 2.0
I know Chris's opinion about the fake 3d, but reading the promised technology, having so few true 3d movies, I thought I give a try. So.....

The download fast, less than 4 MB (for 40 bucks they don't even send a CD, but for less than 4 MB why should they? Right?). I installed it, put a DVD in the player, started playing the movie.

The first impression was the ultra-simple, small, yet obtrusive panel, with barely more functions than a casette player. Didn't matter, I clicked on 3d, put on the glass and........dark picture.

I was clicking left, clicking right, trying to find a brightness adjustment, no cigar. I couldn't adjust my monitor, it is already on max brightness. I brought up the video-card adjustment panel, I set the brightness, which made everything brighter EXCEPT the picture in the frame.

Since ZERO documentation was included in the file (and clicking help indicates a missing help file), I contacted the company and asked how can the brightness be adjusted. It can't be. "We MAY come out with a patch, which MAY include a brightness adjustment" was the answer. When? They don't know that. Will they notify me? Nope, I will have to check in time to time.

I went back to my system, maybe it isn't the program, but my computer. So, I installed the program on 2 other computers, same problem. The brightness of the mono display already darker than other standard DVD player programs, upon invoking 3d, because of the under-over split, the brightness furter drops, add to this some brightness loss by the glass itself, you end up with a non-viewable picture, it is so dark most of the time, only the very light scenes can be seen semi-normally.

As for the 3D? We all know it is not true stereoscopic, but considering that, it is not bad. The illusion would be acceptable for movies which are not available in true 3d (it is definitely better than the Pulfrich). What appears to be irritating is the sudden changes of 2d-3d. For a 5 minutes "demo" it is okay, but a 2 hours movie, even for my well trained eyes (I have no headaches, I played hours of 3d games without rest) appeared to be somewhat tiring.

It still would be a nice novelty, if it wasn't for the lack of brightness adjustment. The way it is, quite useless.

Gabor
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Philip Heggie

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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 5:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

The CEO of Colorcode3d told me he will start the sale of both 3DplusGalleria
and 3Dplus 2.0 for ColorCode 3-D very soon. He is negotiating a contract
with Seoul Systems at the moment and is preparing the sales material etc.
This is full color Yellow/Blue anaglyph format.
Colorcode3d Shop front is
http://3dstereo4you.butik.jubii.dk
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diego

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Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 8:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

2d to 3d conversion what is the best
3dplus 2.0 or the media conversor and live tv conversor for tv tunner cards form http://www.3dworld.com/
tanks.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 3:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

please ,someone share this software on kazaa or edonkey
please please please
tanks you.
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Anonymous

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interesting site

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