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     BL1P Rating: N/A |
as i seem to notice that e_d use this board to advertise i thought i would take the oppertunity to ask them directly why i still havent had the requested support for my radeon 9700pro with xp we all know vrcaddy with the ex wicked3d was no match to the nivida drivers when can we ati radeon usesers expect you to release a driver for us ? the emails you send and have sent since you stared havent alterd in the least you still claim to have a driver under constuction and we still aint seen any evidance of this the oldest email i saw was dated 2000 and i got the same reply in 2003 ffs come on support your customers !! yes i realise ati could help but dont ! yes i have also flamed ati on this subject is it posible that its taking you 3 years to make 9700 pro drivers ? if this is true why havent any betas been released why has nobody with a radeon 9700pro ever posted that wow this 3d glasses thing with this card rocks ? i will be the first to report how good your drivers are if they are ! on all the boards that i have also posted on about your lack of radeon9700/9800 support | ||
| Christoph Bungert (Admin) Rating: N/A |
You can't expect serious, continuous driver development over years from a small hardware distributor. Financially this isn't feasible. H3D tried it and failed. Metabyte/Wicked3D tried it and failed. ELSA tried it and failed. The question is not if ATI joins the bandwaggon, but how long nVidia will stay on it. You can try VRCaddy. You can buy a nVidia board and hope that the driver support will continue. Currently they are way back in schedule. You can hold your breath and wait for Microsoft to integrate the stereo-logic into DirectX - this would be the only good solution. Christoph | ||
| Alexander Oest Rating: N/A |
How about ASUS? I see some of their latest models come with shutter glasses and connector. Don't they develop stereoscopic drivers any longer? Alex | ||
| BL1P Rating: N/A |
surly if they make the glasses and continue too they should continue to suport cards vrcaddy is poor and doesnt work very well btw and nivida have released vertion Stereo3D-for-Detonator4109 for the 40 series detonators so they arnt realy very far behind are they ! and looks like the fx series will have stereo suport too  question is for me should i sell the radeon or the glasses  | ||
| Alexander Oest Rating: N/A |
Where is that stereo driver for Detonator 41.09? I looked for it at nvidia.com but couldn't find anything. Alex | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Why is the admin for a "3d" message board so negative???. Another 3D control panel applet (43.03) has just been released. Stereo support will probably continue, the question is will developers take 3D into account and tweak their games to support it. | ||
| David C. Qualman Rating: N/A |
I don't see Christoph's response based in negativity, but in pragmatism. He shows that he is so interested in 3D that he is willing to host the 3D message board. But few of the big players in the video card industry have shown similarly long lasting interest in 3D. To be honest, we are a small group of people in the vast realm of video card buyers. In my research about stereo - to support several stereo products - I have uncovered a few things against us. Video card manufacturers don't like to add any cost for a niche market (stereo) that affects the cost for all buyers. Thus, when the 12V stereo connector was proposed to the Vesa committee, the video manufacturers wouldn't agree because it required a 10 cent voltage regulator. Hence, only 5V signalling for stereo and more expensive glasses controllers. In fact, only a few video cards even have a dedicated stereo connector. Top-end video card buyers - i.e. those that buy and finance the new video chip designs - don't like to sacrifice performance. For stereo, we need to render two scenes for each display, and need to consume more video memory, leaving less for textures. The early adopters of video cards don't like this tradeoff. They pick fast mono over slower stereo. Stereoscopy is very support intensive. For the video card manufacturers, they need to support situations dealing with combintations of glasses, monitors, and their video card. This significantly increases their cost without much return. The two previous points discourage almost all video card manufacturers from adding stereo support. When they do, it is often as an afterthought. Look at nVidia as an example. They have not integrated stereo support into their drivers. They have an "add-on" tool that is inconsistently updated. As per the previous poster's message, developers have taken stereo into account. But, since they do not see significantly increased sales of product by adding stereo support, they end up considering it to be not cost effective. To be honest, we don't even have a good method to control the glasses. Even the use of the DDC pin is a hack, in abuse of the EDID standard from VESA. My point is that we in the stereo community probably need to increase our own opportunities before we can expect attention from the "big boys". Or, maybe we need to show that we really are willing to pay for stereo support in our video cards. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I think the real problem is that previously many peoples pc's and monitors were not up to stereo. This will change over time. FPS isn't as critical as it was. So what if you can get 240 fps or 300 with your new processor on half life! Adding AA or anisotrophic is a good example. Most gamers these days want better image quality and good fps. The biggest problem is that most gamers have never seen working low cost stereo 3d. I only found out about it by accident last month reading a forum! The improvement in gaming is so great in many games I wouldn't go back to 2d for them. I have never seen the glasses in any major pc retailers in the UK and everyone I speak to has never heard of it. So I believe stereo 3d has a great future if only it gets pushed more. If it ever becomes more mainstream through consoles or advertising it could well take off. I remember a similar situation with surround sound cinema systems. Once people could hear the difference it became mainstream quickley. Up till then it was a small enthusiast market. 3d monitors will help drive awareness of the technology eventually. My only wish is for nvidia to enhance the out of screen effects a bit more with their drivers. Other than that it works great for most games I have tried. It may only be a small market at the moment - but I won't be buying ati because they don't support stereo. | ||
| David Sykes Rating: N/A |
Anonymous said :- > I have never seen the glasses in any major pc > retailers in the UK No, the European agent for E-dimensional is the 'Widescreen Centre'. It does not say so, but that is where E-dimensional's website takes you for Europe. I obtained the Infra-red version (which works with Revelator IR transmitter) from them in 24 hours and this week will order another two pairs. Thank god all the hassle with the Revelator glasses can now be forgotten ! | ||
| William Rating: N/A |
actually I believe the widescreen center is just a resller for edimensional, but edimensional actually has their own facility in the UK. It's not far from me in Swindon and widescreen is a store in London. Got mine in 1 day too from Swindon. Glad you got yours working | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
interesting site |
