| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Anyone??? Steve??? | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
I´d say wait another couple of week or so. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I'd say don't hold your breath. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I'm pretty sure something will come out around the 15th. Steve is probably working hard right now and i'm sure he'll come through with something for "us". I plan on buying a hmd this year and am interested in the unnanounced pro model.. especially prices since i just bought a new computer, just for all these new dx9 games. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
i mean information will come out around the 15th.. i don't expect to be able to order one for a while. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
again, don't hold your breath. | ||
| egoexpress Rating: N/A |
Would the x-viewer have the same or better image quality as the i-glasses svga3d? I´ve heard the color brightness would fade away quickly. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
X-viewer pro model??? Sounds like a copy of the I-glasses. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
or a super sized meal from mcdonalds... unimaginative bastards | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Why be angry? Life is more fun when you´re not. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The X-viwer is a myth. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
It's been the same guy, i don't know what his motive is... My remark about the super size products was sarcastic.. "We will be making announcements about XViewer in March, and plan to be at CEBIT (March 18th) with the first units" I'm taking steves' word for it. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Tomorrow is supposed to be the X-viewer show at Cebit. We'll see..... | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The X-viwer is a myth. | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
Not a myth, but it won't be at CEBIT tomorrow. We have the first protos in house now and are pretty happy with them. I am trying to get permission to share some early photos. As soon as I have them, you will too. Steve@IIS | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
Steve later told us they wouldn´t be at CeBit. I think he posted somewhere on this forum about it. Anyway, this is the message I got: "Hello, We cancelled CEBIT this week, so we can make sure we get the product ready for launch. The CEBIT would have been nice, but it is too much trouble for us right now to get ready for. We are still on track to have product in March. I will be in touch. Steve" | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
son of a !&$%#@ | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
again, don't hold your breath. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
I am taking a down to earth approch. I believe it when I see it, physically in store that is. | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
Lol. Steve replied while I was writing my post. Funny. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
So it won´t be released in march then Steve? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
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| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
What the F*&#$! Yeah I want to buy a Resin Dessert Forks Holder Cat to put next to the x-viewer I am about to buy  | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
HAHAHA yeah...... Anyway, all i was "expecting" were details in march, If that doesn't happen then i wouldn't expect it to be out for a long time... | ||
| anonymoose Rating: N/A |
Maybe someone in Thailand has an idea for a better web translator | ||
| RickLambertine Rating: N/A |
Is there a problem with the X-viewer displays? Are these the Kopin VGA color filter displays? | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
No problems, just the engineers tweaking away. We have had a working unit for a couple months, that we have been showing behind closed doors, it is all of the final engineering to get it to the point of manufacture that takes some time. If we weren't trying to hit such agressive price targets it would be easier. Do you think those Thai guys would be interested in reselling the product? Steve@IIS | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve, you said you guys make special ordered HMD's for clients! Would that be any sooner if someone gave you some spec's that they wanted in a HMD? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve is full of hot air  The X-viewer has been promised now for three years! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
yeah but there is more to it then mounting some lcds' on some glasses and sending them to suppliers because people want them. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Yeah but three years of empty promises We will never see the X-viewer. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I think the x-viewer is the only commercial product from IIS that has been delayed for so long, but it was never officially given a release date anyway, only an estimated time of completion. So we will see... If specs are given of an actual finished product and pictures, i see no reason why it won't be released this year. I assume there is a market for this thing, and it will be able to compete with other un/released hmds' or they wouldn't of gone to the effort of "completing" it. But i'm still waiting for a rock solid sign of affirmation.. Steve?? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
What cracks me up is this hush hush business, if you have then say it and show it... Don't lead people on.. How do you do business if your going to release something without spec's or do it a week before.. Why wait untill the end of the month, if you have a few made then you must know the spec's.... I just dont get it... | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I agree.. "going to release something without spec's or do it a week before.. Why wait untill the end of the month" Are the specs coming out this month and released around the same time? Or are specs and the unit being released this month? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Well I think it is easy to get. Steve is handing us a line of shit. Simple enough. | ||
| john_amoledine Rating: N/A |
Think their problem is that it's going to be only VGA but the upcoming competitors(Daeyang & Leadtek) will have SVGA at the same apprx price point or lower. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
I don't think so. SVGA is 800x600 where VGA is 640x480. No one makes VGA anymore. If they design it for VGA a few years ago, then this company is finished. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
it would more likely be xga then vga | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I´ve heard it´s SVGA. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Then, there is no difference from the i-glasses except weight. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
and a bit large FOV | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Why bother | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Thats funny, I assumed we all knew that the X-viewer would just be a repackaged pair of I-glasses. Similar to the VFX3D. If you ever look inside the head unit of a VFX3D you'll swear its a pair of I-glasses with a slightly lower resolution. | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
The X-viewer might in fact have a FOV that is nearly double that of the i-glasses. Remember that the FOV was the biggest issue with the i-glasses. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I'm waiting for steves next big reply.... I'm staying positive on this one. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I just got my Resin Dessert Forks Holder Cat in today and WOW does it look good next to my X-viewer! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
"We are still on track to have product in March." Does this mean we'll see it for sale next week?? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Not. Try next year or the year after. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve, Can you comment on the release date? How bout those pictures? | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
The recent development on HMD in LeakTek and Daeyoung has put IIS on the defence. I think the original spec (mainly FOV and weight) IIS was targeting will place them in a disadvantage position. So, IIS is kind of constantly shooting a moving target; not in a winning position at all. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
If that is true... They should quit trying to meet the current market minimum and just do the best they can in the first place. | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
I apologize I cannot give out any more information than I already have, as soon as I can you will be the first to know Steve@IIS | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Sounds like a line of shit to me. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
There hasn't been any info!!!! If you were at the Show in Wash, then people must know.. First off I think this steve@ is not steve at all... Ku | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Stop ranting | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
The show was to promote our new Monocular device, not the Binocular HMD. We will not be showing it publicly now until E3 in May. Sorry guys you'll just have to wait until then. If I get the go ahead to post specs or pics I will get them over to Christoph. Steve | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Now May, OK! May 2008 I presume. | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
Steve, to be sure I don´t misinterpret you. You are showing the new stereoscopic binocular HMD at E3 in may, right? | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Hehehe, I think he is saying monocular. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
What a crock of shit. | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
Take it easy. I need Steve to answer this crucial question, not to get upset and leave the forum. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Well, you can see what the x-viewer is going to be like. It will just be a binocular version of the second sight monocular device they have on their site now. www.iisvr.com. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
They call "28 degrees horizontal" a large FOV on their new Second Sight product. I hope this same definition is not what large FOV means on the x-viewer. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Don't expect much. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I think 60 degrees horizontal is the absolute minimum a HMD must have. And now don't tell me that this is technically impossible or too expensive or whatever. I am just saying as a potential customer what I expect from a certain piece of hardware. If a product does not satisfy my needs I simply don't buy it. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
It is impossible to have 800x600 and 60 degrees horizontal. And you know why, no one will buy it since every dot is more than 4.5 arcmin big. | ||
| Jesper Rating: N/A |
My faith in IIS is just getting smaller. I guess that's what you get when you want something really bad.Too bad that Steve is keeping our hopes up to later take it away. I know that Steve isn't the one who makes the big decisions but it's crap nonetheless. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Well, one thing is for sure: We won´t be accepting a "we can´t show it at E3, but in a couple of weeks we will". This is the last chance Steve. This promise you can´t brake. We all will move over to X-eye if you dont deliver at E3. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I agree, we should just get the X-eye. | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
I just discovered that the X-eye got a refresh rate of 60hz! That is unbarable! The i-glasses got a flicker free refresh rate at 120hz. My hopes are still at the X-viewer. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Hopes! This is all this board is about, hopes and dreams.... Were in the 2004 and still having to pay BIG bucks for FOV like the Visette or V6.. Your right, the tech is out there but just not for us little hard working people.. U got $24,000 then you can have 60 deg FOV... Yes kick me in my face again please.. Whats that you only have $1,000. Ok here is a peep hole, OH don't mind the blurry spots you wont realize it to much playing. Say that again, it hurts your Nose and leaves a mark on your forehead, UHM. Well there's companys that make Shells and sells them for Thousands more... Even if this X-viewer or X-eye comes out, what the heck are yeah gonna do about having it immersive, throw a black sheet over your head... I don't know about you people but im tired of waiting... Hopefully this site is up in another 10 years and we can see what we have..... Peace OUT!!!!! The Dawg.............. | ||
| Ray Price Rating: N/A |
Lars, just because the refresh rate is 60Hz does not mean it will flicker. Flat panel monitors run at 60Hz and they do not flicker. A colleague of mine got a chance to try the X-Eye at CeBit and said the display quality was excellent. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Yes but at 60Hz they will not be 3d | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Anonymous, What do you mean 60Hz cannot do 3D? You cannot talk about refresh rate with LCDs. If the content of the screen does not change, you will not notice even it is 30Hz refresh. The way these glasses does 3D is not the same as CRT with shutter glasses. Yeah, 60Hz can do perfect 3d. | ||
| Jesper Rating: N/A |
Where I come from our tv-sets are at 50hz. Do they flicker, I don't think so. Since the HMD displays two images at the same time it's a different thing than with the shutterglasses. So what do you mean Lars? | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
Excuse my ignorance. I just set my CRT monitor at 60Hz and it flickered like hell even without stereo, and drawed some conclusions - I guess wrong ones. I´m just a simple journalist and an amateur when it comes to computers. Thanks for getting my hopes up on the X-eye again. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
X-Eye isn't an LCD, its an OLED | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Lars, Anonymous, Unlike CRT, LCD and OLED have as many light source as there are pixels where as there is ONE light source for CRT. In LCD/OLED displays, the light of a pixel stays up unless it's changed by the controller with a different color/intensity, no flicker. The refresh rate (in LCD/OLED sense) merely specifies how quickly the display can change from one image to another (important when playing games, viewing movies and animated presentation), not the same refresh rate as in a CRT monitor. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Then the 60Hz will be unbearable with flicker! | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Jesper, Not exactly. TV tubes are made different from computer monitors. The phosphor used in a TV tube has a larger persistance value than the one used in CRT monitors. The higher the spec refresh rate a monitor has, the higher the choise of flickering when the refresh rate is set low. This is so because a phosphor with LOW persistance value has to be used to accommodate the highest refresh rate. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
The point is IT WONT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. If you disagree, take some time to learn how LCD's, OLED's, and CRT's work before you start making useless comments. | ||
| Ray Price Rating: N/A |
Remember also, these are not shutter glasses where you are switching between the left and right eye image on one display, each eye has a seperate display. | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
Bye the way, IIS is not listed as an exhibitor at E3 in may. See http://www.e3expo.com/exhibiting_info/exhibit_sales_info/list/ | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Figures | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which hand gets filled faster. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
.. First off I think this steve@ is not steve at all... Ku -I'm starting to think this aswell, nothing he has said has been new, proven or relevant- | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
Hello All, Yes it has been me. I apologize I cannot release any more information and for the delays. Honestly, small companies like us have to focus their energies on programs that are paying the bills, which is what we have been doing. We are delivering to several night vision programs that keep accelerating, as the war picks up. Unfortunatley that means that programs like Xviewer get delayed and pushed back. As I said we have 2nd generation prototypes in house now and will be showing product at E3 (in a partners booth). As soon as I can share details I will, I have tried to be a part of this board and contribute where I can. It ends up with everyone bad mouthing us which I guess can't be helped. If you are all in such a big rush I would suggest the X-Eye, I've seen it and I am sure you will be very happy with it. Let the mud slinging begin Steve | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
What was the 2nd gen upgrade? was it optics, or display resolution? Can you tell us more about the partner? X-eye can run SVGA on USB power alone..good for portable DVD viewing. Will the X-eye have the same? Thanks | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve there would be no mud sligging if you lived up to your word for once. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
what he is saying is, as long as this "Bush" war goes on, an on, they can make a lot more money selling to the military......then developing a consumer product. in other words, more war = more profits......to hell with IIS and all the war profitiers!!!!!!! | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Like Steve says, if you are in such a big rush, goes with some thing else. I am not a big fan of the war. If Steve is making money of it, good for him. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
We will never see the x-viewer. If you want a good available HMD buy the iglasses. The x-eye has just been delayed another three months. I doubt we will see this HMD either. | ||
| Steve@IIS Rating: N/A |
You guys are awesome. Not profiteering from the war, accelerating production on programs we have been working on for almost 6 years, which takes time and resources away from other development programs. Sorry for the misunderstanding, seems to be a lot of that going around. This will be my last post, if you want any more info, feel free to contact me directly sometime in May | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve you are the guy who has been promising the x-viewer for three years now and NO HMD. Don't be angry at us... You also said, "We will be making announcements about XViewer in March, and plan to be at CEBIT (March 18th) with the first units" And NO HMD. No misunderstanding. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Look guys, You're beating a dead horse. Let it go. Live your life and make your purchasing decisions as if you never heard of the X-viewer. If you think about it, would you really want to buy a product and depend on technical support from a company that has blown so much smoke up your ass in the past??? "Hey guys the new drivers that will actually make your X-viewer work will be out in three months". "Oh wait, I meant 6 months". "Oops again, I meant two years". "So sorry all our driver programming resources are being used for other projects right now, we'll get back to you...". John | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
That's funny John. I wonder how many of you guys are acturally going to spend close to a grand to buy X-Viewer if it's available today. Since you guys are rush rush to throw money at IIS, I guess you will buy whatever comes out of IIS. Come on, are you that desperate? | ||
| amigo Rating: N/A |
I believe the issue here is that Steve@IIS is posting as an authorized and official representative of IIS which means that what he says is the standing of the company, unless he puts himself off the record, which he had never done. On one hand, I totally agree with people being upset for IIS not keeping their promises, this is all smoke blowing from IIS because they got nothing to really show for except broken promises. On the other hand, IIS does what is in their best interest to keep them in business, thus military projects are always better paying and "steady" work than consumer products. So don't hold your breath on IIS or you will suffocate. Go and seek your solutions elsewhere if you need one right now or use what you have at hand and wait until there *is* a consumer market for these kinds of products, and with companies serious about delivering products on time. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Steve shouldn't mention anything to us about the X-viewer until he has pictures and a 'buy it now' button on thw iisvr.com website. Then people wont get upset about mis-information. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Yeah, that was his fault from the beginning. One should simply not make promises one can´t keep. He has put my life on hold for two years now. Ok, it´s not THAT serious, but allmost. It´s like constantly postponing christmas for a kid. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
F*** Steve and F*** IIS. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Well we don't need to go that far ANON, you getting yourself that upset is ur fault.. If the glasses come out, they come out. If not then NOT! Ku | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Correct me if I'm wrong. you take two .7' 1024x768 lcd's that are found in a sub $1500 projector. back light them. add adjustable mirrors. Put them in a headset. Add a head tracking unit. run a power cable and two VGA cables to a dual head Nvidia card. Viola! Don't need sound as I wouldn't want to give up my 5.1. Don't think it would weigh even close to the weight of a motorcycle helmet. Doesn't have to be "cute". We gamers have the best video cards and sound systems going. We are their market and we spent alot of money on our toys. WAKE UP!!!! Hell I spent $300 on a joystick, $400 on sound, $300 on a video card, $900 on a monitor, and $1000 on a projector. I'm the typical hardcore gamer. There's THOUSANDS of us. Do the math. Now I'm just ranting so I'll end here. John | ||
| Christoph Bungert (Admin) Rating: N/A |
### take two .7' 1024x768 lcd's that are found in a sub $1500 projector. That makes 6 panels and 6 light beams which have to be handled with heavy prisms. C. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Ah, didn't know. I did disassemble a 17" 1280x1024 notebook panel and figured that the projectors used a simular setup. I didn't relise the panels where not just stacked on top of one another with a single light source shining thru all of them. You mean that the light from the single bulb is split in to three parts, shone thru the panels and then recombined? I have an X1 which is a DLP projector. I haven't had to do my first cleaning yet but was going to take a gander in it to see how big the actual DLP part of it is. BTW are there no small single panel high res units available or is the technology just not there yet? John | ||
| anonymoose Rating: N/A |
Many low end panels, including those that use DLPs, employ field sequential color - that is, they use a single monochrome panel running at 180 Hz, (some go faster) that is illuminated sequentially through a color wheel or rotating prisim with red, green, and blue light. That means each projector only has one display inside. You'd have to buy two projectors. The good news is that LEDs are fast enough and bright enough to provide field sequential color illumination in a head mounted system, and they are dirt cheap. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I thought an LED was able to produce a single color. could you expound on your idea? John | ||
| itoalbedo Rating: N/A |
ideal solution would be an emissive-oled microdisplay but my guess is this device will use Kopin VGA cyberdisplay color filtered lcd's. Big problem though is kopin is having yield and supply issues so that probably has more to do with the delay than anything else,jmho. This x-viewer will be just another subpar placeholder until Daeyang or Leadtek start shipping and my bet is the OLED equipped hmd's will be cheaper,higher resolution and easier on the eyes to wear for many hours. | ||
| mike Rating: N/A |
Well you guys drifted away alittle of what this topic was about, but anyways I like the fact that IISR calls back or responds to e-mails.. I know I left Steve a message on your answer machine awhile ago.. Not just about the x-viewer but of other HMD solutions... Well you can asure to count me out on your upcoming product, great communication goe's along way.... Don't bother returning my call if you decide to... Mike | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
I'm thinking of getting the x-eye when it comes out, not sure if this has been mentioned before but theres 2 things I'm concerned about. 1. It looks as if the entire weight of the unit sits straight on the bridge of your nose. I have some shutter glasses that do this and they become unusable after 30mins, very sore! The designer said this was because they are designed around asian noses so for western people it is uncomfortable (thats his excuse anyway). Hopefully not with the x-eye!? ..wonder if the photo is the final production model or just a prototype? 2. OLED technology is still quite new and they were having a lot of problems producing a clean white, from the screen shot on Leadtek's site you will notice everything has a blue hue to it. Hopefully this will be corrected on the production model? another thing on their web site, under the overview section they say "user configurable immersion levels" what exactly does this mean? that you can change the FOV? Be interesting to see what people think when it finally comes out, I can hardly wait! Ben | ||
| Alatar Rating: N/A |
> 1. It looks as if the entire weight of the unit sits straight on the bridge of your nose. I have some shutter glasses that do this and they become unusable after 30mins, very sore! Although not specifically related to this product, I just thought I would pass on that the preferred approach of most of our animators (who have to use alternate-eye glasses for hours and hours on end) is to buy a contruction helmet and throw away the shell, leaving the internal webbing. The glasses are then mounted to the webbing, which can be adjusted to firmly grip the head. Most like to add a counterweight at the back, to keep it balanced. This turns out to be relatively comfortable; I have known animators to use it for 60-80 hours a week without complaint. | ||
| BOPrey Rating: N/A |
Alatar, that is the way HMD should been done. I have a pair of i-glasses and they are very uncomfortable after a short while. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
when can we buy x-eye? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
If the x-viewer isn't OLED then they might as well just scrap it. I've been reading a great deal about the technology the last week and all I can say is WOW! Now with the competition coming out with an OLED, IIS is pretty well screwed. Just think of all the time, money, and effort they've put into a product that will be antiquated before it leaves their manufacturing plant. I do find a sort of grim satisfaction over the fact that Steve's been stringing us along for the last two years and now there products going to be blow out of the water by the X-Eye. Makes you want to chuckle just a little bit, doesn't it? John | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
even if you were right... no | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Anybody have an idea as to the x-Eye realease? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Not for another six months - maybe. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
IISVR.com is supposed to be showing a binocular system at a trade show this week. Maybe we'll get to see some pictures. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Is anyone here going to that trade show? It's in Texas? John | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
On the X-eye: Leadtek in Holland just told me they had to postpone the releasedate (wich was oroginally set to this summer). Cybermind NL told me that "The X-eye is expected to become available between the last quarter this year and first quarter next year." Patience is really a vitute when it comes to these products... | ||
| Jesper Rating: N/A |
"Patience is really a vitute when it comes to these products" More likely a requirement :-) Lars, you said you're a journalist, where can I see your work and is it about 3D. Hej från Stockholm. | ||
| Lars Ahnland Rating: N/A |
To Jesper: I´m really a business reporter (currently I´m studying at the university though), but when I get the chance I write about stereoscopic devices and other things I´m interested in, for instance online roleplaying computer games. A year ago I wrote a big article about shutterglasses, auto stereoscopic dislays and HMD:s for TT, Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå (our national newsagency). The article was sold to a lot of different newspapers. I suggest you do an advanced search on the internet to find the article. I´ve never done it myself, so please tell me if you find it. |
