| Author | Message | ||
     Mopheta Rating: N/A |
1)Where can I download the eMagin Z800 software?. I can lose my CD-ROM. I do not see this software in the eMagin web page. 2) I can´t configure different "Image Settings" and "Positioning" in the (eprom?). I want to use 60hz to 2D and 85 to 3D and I only can callibrate one of them. Now I´m using only 60hz with 2D and 3D to prevent this limitation. 3) I see always a vertical pixels line at the right of my screen (like 4 or 5 pixels weith). It is impossible to quit this line (changing image settings or positionig, changing refresh rates, etc). I have a Nvidia 6800 TD. The line is not present if y use my Z800 with the notebook (with ATI 9700 mobile). 4) I´ve seen screenshots of the eMagin sofware and the shots are a little different than my sofware. So there is different versions?. How can I know I I have the last?. There is no information about. My version can be very better, and has little bugs like if I use "Image settings" & "positionig" (it is hard to callibrate because these bugs). The sofware version is the "Miscellaneus/Revision Nº"?. 5) I have a big black zone at the sides (left and right) of the Z800 screen. Do not happend with up and down. I lose a lot of fov. I´m not sure If it is possible to callibrate to expand the screen to these dark zones. I suppose that it is impossible. 6) Is there any way to modify the power off time?. If I see a DVD in the bed I must move the head or I lose the signal each 5 minutes. Would be better to modify to 20 or 30 minutes. I think this time is stored in the eprom (I´m not sure if this is an eprom), and would be better to include an option in the sofware to select the desired power off time. 7) The "Color Settings" section in the software only inform about gain and offset. I see no way to modify anything in this section, and would be great to modify to callibrate better the colors. I have not the same gain and offset in both eyes, and I have not the same in the RGB colors. What is the utility of this section?..., what can I edit?. 8) In "Motion Sensor" section the finest "sensitivity" is 6, so I have a little death zone. Some times I prefer fully control and no death zone, but I can´t. I suppose that the mision of this "death zone" is to inform the software if you are using or not the hardware, to activate the power off function, but I prefer to disable both, the power off function and the death zone sensitivity. I hope a eMagin sofwere update soon. This can´t be the final version... it is impossible. | ||
| Mopheta Rating: N/A |
I have "Miscellaneous\Revision Nº" = 635. | ||
| Akemi Rating: N/A |
Mopheta, My software CD labels REV B August 23, 2005. I have ROM revision 635 also and I don't have any problem. May be you should try different Geforce Forceware and 3Dstereo drivers. The software pictured in the User Manual seems like an older version because it has less options for selection. You might want to contact Emagin directly if you want to get a particular software fix for your problems. If you need to contact our technical support team you can do so by phone 1-877-362-4465 (8AM to 4:30PM Pacific Time Zone) or email at techsupport@emagin.com There is a z800 CD download available on Tekgear website at http://www.tekgear.com/PDF/Z800_CD.zip. Emagin is working on an API/SDK sofware that I hope will allow developers to control more options on the displays. But You should let Emagin knows about your requirements so they could better meet you needs in future updates. | ||
| AlbusD Rating: N/A |
Akemi, You said: " If you need to contact our technical support team... " Are you an employee of eMagin? | ||
| TigerClaw Rating: N/A |
I think he have only make a cut and paste from emagin website. Please stop the Paranoia  | ||
| Mopheta Rating: N/A |
Ok Akemi, I have written at this email. I have installed different forceware and Stereo drivers, and the Nvidia driver works very well, it is not any problem. I have tested a lot of things with this hardware to know what it can do. You say "I don´t have any problem", but poweroff at 5 minutes is a problem sometimes and it can´t be changed, dead zone in the tracking is a problem and can´t be changed, color callibration is a problem because is not possible, pixels column is a problem for me (I understand that you have not this problem). Also I have problems with little noise in headphones but only if all is in silence, and the mousetracking is smooth but loses very frequently the callibration position (now I don´t use mouse tracking because the dead zone and callibration problems make it more a problem than a help using in any game). I´ve read in different forums and I´ve talk with people, and these are not only my problems. | ||
| water1 Rating: N/A |
To everyone with the Z800 I have a question about the Head Tracking. If you were to setup your PC system so you could use the Z800 standig up, would the tracking work in a 360deg setup like this or is the tracker to hit or miss (Having to reset it or too much drift and other problems)? Could you all please give me your thoughts on this...Thanks | ||
| Ku Rating: N/A |
Hey Im still getting the Z800 to fall asleep, also I have the z800 icon at bottom but it wont let me click on it so I have to open another icon, wierd. But doing the activate still doesn't stop it from shutting off, anyone find away around this or what isn't being done right? tnx | ||
| Akemi Rating: N/A |
> morpheta wrote I´ve read in different forums and I´ve talk with people, and these are not only my problems I have used the z800 everyday to play games and I don't have all the problems that you are mentioning. I have been using headtracking with Razer Copperhead mouse and they work very well together. With the z800 I feel I am immersed in the game because if I turn my head the view change with me. Even with the Copperhead mouse tracking at 1000hz I see no flick or degradation in images. I have Creative Audigy 2zs card and I have no noise at all. I don't know why you are having all the problems and I hope Emagin can help get your problems fix. | ||
| Akemi Rating: N/A |
>water wrote: If you were to setup your PC system so you could use the Z800 standig up, would the tracking work in a 360deg setup like this or is the tracker to hit or miss PC Games today are so tied to the keyboard,mouse, and controllers it is hard to imagine someone physically depending on the z800 headtracking for gameplay. As the z800 API/SDK becomes available hopefully developers can make games that are 100% z800 compatible. | ||
| water1 Rating: N/A |
Akemi, you said you use the Z800 head tracker and the razor mouse together and they work very well togeether. But then you say "PC Games today are so tied to the keyboard,mouse, and controllers it is hard to imagine someone physically depending on the z800 headtracking for gameplay." So do you mean the Z800 head tracker works good for you when used with a mouse but you would not want to use the head tracker all by itself ? Akemi, I do think your post were very clear, so I know this seems like a dumb question. I'm only asking to be 100% shure I understand your thoughts on this subject. Thanks for your time Akemi. | ||
| Akemi Rating: N/A |
>water1 wrote: So do you mean the Z800 head tracker works good for you when used with a mouse but you would not want to use the head tracker all by itself ? That's right water1. All first person shooting games required mouse or keyboard or other controller inputs I don't see how anyone can just use z800 headtracking. For driving games I use a Logitech Force Feedback wheel and the z800 headtracking is great for changing views when I turn my head. For flying I use Saitek x52 controller. For 6DOF I use TrackIR 3 Pro with vector expansion pack together with z800. Just like in real life you don't want to physically use your head to hit others or drive I don't see people would want to use the z800 headtracker for total game play. The main purpose of the z800 with headtracker at this moment is to allow the gamers to be natural in the game as they are in real life by having the virtual views in front of the eyes and stay focus with the main actions of the game. | ||
| Akemi Rating: |
>Ku wrote: But doing the activate still doesn't stop it from shutting off, anyone find away around this or what isn't being done right? According to User Manual : "Energy-saving Standby Mode Standby mode is activated whenever the Z800 3DVisor senses lack of data from your mouse, keyboard or head movement for longer than five minutes. Conversely, moving the mouse, hitting any key on the keyboard, picking up the Visor up to put on your head, or pushing any key on the Z800 3DVisor Controller is enough to trigger the advanced OLED microdisplays instant-on image. The automatic standby mode is designed tominimize energy consumption and also protects the displays in your Z800 3DVisor from static image retention,similar to the function of a screen saver on a CRT or Plasma screen." "Standby Mode with AC Power Supply The optional AC power supply which supplies 5V dc can be used when the Z800 3DVisor is connected to a video device other than a PC computer system with USB. When connected to this external power supply and alternate compatible video source, the standby mode will be activated automatically after 150 minutes. Pressing any button on the Z800 3DVisor Controller will waken the system from standby mode." | ||
| Mopheta Rating: N/A |
You will use Z800 headtracking in driving games only if the game support mouse to change the views. You can´t use Z800 headtracking together with TrackIR 3 Pro or TrackIR 3PRO+vector expansion... you use one or the other (better TrackIR of course, I have it). Power Supply is not included.... it is optional, and Z800 is not compatible with any video device other than PC computer (I don´t know any device working in 800x600 resolution). You need a video adapter (not included) and the Power Supply (not included) to view anything of this. | ||
| KuDawg Rating: N/A |
I think it's more like 2 mintues it shuts off, and im moving the mouse and the unit to look around. I'll tell you guys after seeing this Quest3D demo of the coast and looking around, that would of sold me on these glasses alone.. That showed off some graphics and the sense of 3D. I was very impressed. Anyone want to check them out go to www.quest3d.com Pretty cool!! Ku | ||
| dvdbunny1 Rating: N/A |
Hi Ku i just checked out that quest3d, it's pretty cool. Do you know of any freely available small games that are made by programmers that you can use with HMD's? I am thinking of getting the Z800 with the P5 Data glove, if i can find a small like technology demo that these programmers from university make, if it could be used where you have an independent view with both the HMD and p5 glove then that would be awesome. quest3d vr edition can be used with the P5 glove, the glove only costs like 50 dollars. coupled with the z800 would give you a mind blowing experinece, imagine being able to move your hand in the real world and see a virtual hand in the game world being moved in real time. There are a lot of clever people on here i am suprised why none as of yet has made a table tennis game, where you can use the HMD to change your view via the head tracker and then the P5 Glove to controll the table tennis bat, that would be awesome and shouldn't take more than a few weeks to make. People could make even a game where you shoot a gun in a shooting range, that shouldn't take long to make. If there were such things like this available i would defintely buy the Z800. | ||
| More Z800 useless marketing Rating: N/A |
More Z800 useless marketing | ||
| AlbusD Rating: N/A |
now Ku and DVDBunny are eMagin marketeers too? I don't know who you malcontented assh*les are but, why not - if you see a thread about eMagin or the Z800 - don't read it. The thread for discussion by Z800 owners has already been overrun by idiots who don't own one. You are complaining about this site? If admin. required registration to post , something tells me all YOUR posts would come to a complete halt. Roaches hate the light I hear. | ||
| bigpat Rating: N/A |
Hadn't posted in a while, I am not sure when emagin put up their software for download, but you can get the latest version here: http://www.emagin.com/html/consumer_products_support.htm I just noticed it myself, I am still using the July release, so I am hoping there will be some refinements. bigpat | ||
| water1 Rating: N/A |
Please post what you think of the new drivers. I would like to know if they make a differance in the Z800's use or if they fix any problems you might have had with the Z800. | ||
| KuDawg Rating: N/A |
Is it me or have some of you got the Z800 to work in 1024x768 in the desktop? Also the ICon on the bottom, the first time I start it up I can right click on it and restore it but after ajusting some of the 3d settings in a game, once I get out I cant close the Z800 icon or right click it, when this happens the tracking is disabled too, so I have to click on the z800 again to start it up and then I have 2 icons on the bottom, wierd! I can close one but not that one that is messed up. Also how come when I want to disable the tracking, I check the box it doesn't disable, I can still look around? Get back to me fellas Ku | ||
| Akemi Rating: N/A |
Sometime(ie..old Modern Air Combat) I can get Z800 to work at 1024x768 but the screen is cropped to 800x600. Did you install the newer version? Be sure in uninstall the older version (z800.exe)first because the newer version(3dvisor.exe) doesn't override the old one. After you have installed the new version the old version doesn't work too well so you might have problem if you try to use the older version. I tried to disable the trakcing with the new version and it works fine. | ||
| Ku Rating: N/A |
Yup that all worked, tnx. | ||
| vincy Rating: N/A |
Have you emagin z800 users got the latest CD revision for software and documentation. I received my CD by FedEx - Its revision C - dated October 10, 2005. It works fine. Also I got this news from www.newstips.com (bulletins) COMING SOON: A Z800 3D VISOR SDK Some time this quarter, look for a Software Developer's Kit (SDK) in support of the eMagin Z800 3D Visor. This is a fairly rich environment, allowing separate (or joint) video graphics feeds to the left & right eye, separate audio feeds to the left & right ear, feedback from the head position sensor & lots more. That head position sensor, by the way, affords 6 degrees of freedom, meaning an ability to do things that used to take strange mouse/keyboard shenanigans (to jump, crawl, sidestep, peek under, etc). Ask Joe. Contact: Joe Runde, EMAGIN CORPORATION (Bellevue, WA) | ||
| GianCarlo Rating: N/A |
6 DOF? Does this mean, keeping your head level and facing one direction, the sensor will know when you are crouching, jumping or side-stepping? That would be awesome!!! If you could manually map these movements to analog controls (even assigning keypress macros would be neat), that would allow you to duck and sidestep rockets and such in games, very cool. They should make all this stuff customizable by the user, like Saitek does for its gamepads. | ||
| Ku Rating: N/A |
Separate video feeds, how is this gonna be possible with only one connection to the z800 box? Ku | ||
| Ku Rating: N/A |
Separate video feeds, how is this gonna be possible with only one connection to the z800 box? Ku | ||
| Ku Rating: N/A |
stupid fingers!!!! | ||
| Ryan Rating: N/A |
I imagine separate video feeds could be accomplished by using the Clone feature on most nVidia cards with dual monitor output - that's my hope anyway. That way guests can see what I'm seeing. Maybe the controller box can handle that too, I'm not sure: "The Z800 3DVisor can be used in addition to your built-in display as a dual monitor (mirrored), or to extend your windows desktop for larger viewing and work space." Anyway, I can't wait to get it!!! | ||
| akemi Rating: N/A |
For separate video feeds the headset needs to support it with two video inputs. The Z800 does not have this feature. They would totally have to redesign the headset. | ||
| GianCarlo Rating: N/A |
On the emagin site, they say a SDK kit is being worked on, but nothing confirming the second video input or 6DOF, only 3DOF. | ||
| Shigawire Rating: N/A |
First Person Shooters will never work well with these. It's a pipedream to think otherwise.. Flightsimulators on the other hand is a different story. ;) Which is why this thing interests me.. only limitation I guess is the low resolution and/or reviews mentioning headaches. Even Emagin's website says we must take frequent breaks. Is this because of the low Hertz? I know the DRAM holds the last image in the OLED, so that they don't ever go black in between the sequential rendering. But what else could it be that causes these headaches? Poor optics? Or simply a matter of the customer not having adjusted it properly? I'd like your thoughts on it. Not those of you who haven't tried it, but those of you who have tried it.. | ||
| cutlass Rating: N/A |
"""But what else could it be that causes these headaches? Poor optics? Or simply a matter of the customer not having adjusted it properly?""" Right off let me say that I don't have a Z-800, so I can't speak from experience, although I tried it out at a show for a few minutes. But I have heard a lot about the seasickness and headache issue. It's diffiucult to sort out. Years ago VR sickness was common and that helped put VR games and equip in the doghouse for awhile. Old studies on VR sickness are practically useless in this regard because they tested with cruder low-resolution HMDs. The tech has since improved significantly and some of the causes of VR have been eliminated. For example, by allowing one's peripheral vision to sense the real world on each side of the visor, VR sickness is reduced significantly. But not for all people, which suggests that uniques individual proclivities can lead to VR sickness even with new equipment. One seller on eBay recently auctioned off his Z-800 because, as he said, he has always had a problem with seasickness or motion sickness and he simply couldn't overcome it when using the visor. A reviewer complained of headaches because he couldn't adjust the visor eyepieces to his satisfaction. I suspect he didn't try very hard, or gets headaches easily. Another user complained of queeziness at first but said the problem went away after a few sessions. Other people report using it for hours on end with no VR or headache problem at all. So what conclusion can we draw from all this. I suppose anyone contemplating buying a visor of any kind should pay heed to any history they may have of chronic motion sickness or headaches. It's fair to say that not everyone will be able to use the Z-800 comfortably. If you feel you are not affected by these problems, go ahead and see for yourself. The Z-800 is, as you know, returnable within 30-days, and there is always eBay. | ||
| Jake Rating: N/A |
Check out www.tekgear.com. | ||
| vincy Rating: N/A |
As promised ..... The z800 SDK ver1.0 is now available for download on www.emagin.com (support) Dated December 5, 2005 | ||
| anonymous Rating: N/A |
Has any z800 owner compared the updated software to the original version to determine if there's any practical (that is, noticeable) difference in performance of the unit? | ||
| boraski Rating: N/A |
At last! But how is it packaged? A 31 MB ISO image file!! Do they want us to waste a CDR for burning 31 MB?? OK, at least Nero, and probably others allows mounting ISO files and using the files inside without burning. Then we discover that those 31 MB contain a 20 MB Acrobat Reader installer (for reading the PDF doc.), a 7 MB precompiled header file, which is a totally unnecessary and other intermediate and other unnecessary stuff. The distribution could have been a Zip file of a few hundred KB. Apart from this initial impression, the SDK allows reading all tracker values (all 3 DOFs) and setting things like power-saving time outs and brightness from programs. So the question of how this compares to the original is hard to answer: this is the original and first SDK. The original software was a driver for emulating a mouse with the tracker (so that moving your head moves the mouse pointer) or for controlling some settings through a control panel application, not from other programs. Additionally, that mouse emulation could only handle two degrees of freedom: heading and pitch, not roll (a mouse only has x and y coordinates) | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
My question was referring to the October 10 software upgrade for the z800 Visor Software Utility, not the new SDK (which is a separate package for people who have the technical knowledge to use it). For those of us who don't have a Nero-type program to mount the ISO image without using up a CD-R, my question is this: Does the Oct 10 software upgrade have any real improvements over the original (August 2005) version? In other words, is it worth the trouble to burn the new version onto a disc and then install it? | ||
| Ku Rating: N/A |
Yeah, I think it's better program. I had problems with clicking the icon and trying to disable the tracker, it wouldn't work sometimes and then I couldn't close out the icon that was at the right bottom of the screen. Now with the new upgrade it works better. Closing out the z800 program is easy and disable the tracker too.. thats about it though that I've seen. Ku | ||
| ku Rating: N/A |
Oh no need to burn the copy! Thats a waste don't u tink!!! | ||
| bigpat Rating: N/A |
download something like ultra iso so you can just open up the iso and pull out the software. burning a cd is silly. I took some screenshots of the old software before replacing it, to see if there was much improvement. I think there is some nice usability improvements and for anyone who was experiencing any problems before, obviously you should upgrade. But if you are fine with the old software, then I didn't notice any new features, but I didn't do a screen by screen study of it. bigpat | ||
| bigpat Rating: N/A |
hopefully it was obvious I was talking about the emagin utility and not the new sdk (which I haven't tried yet) bigpat | ||
| anonymous Rating: N/A |
Ku and Bigpat: Thanks for the information! That's what I needed to know. | ||
| Shigawire Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the explanation Cutlass. I have never had problems with motion sickness or any form of vertigo. | ||
| JEB HOFFMAN Rating: N/A |
can anyone help? i thought i had no nero programs so i downloaded nero 7 demo. now it says that i need to uninstall the newer applications before the setup will finsh i can not find them on my computer anywhere. WHAT DO I DO? PLEASE HELP ME. | ||
| water Rating: N/A |
Go to Start, Control panel, Add Remove programes and under Add remove programes look and see if you already had a Ver. of Nero installed, if so uninstall all Ver. and start over. |
