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     Sabre2th Rating: N/A |
Just wanted to get some info and oppinons on the Z800 headeset. I am looking to buy either the Z800 or I-glasses 3d SVGA. Here are some questions I have: 1)Which will be more immersive, and why? 2)Will the 60 degree vertical head tracking on the Z800 be a limitation for, say flightsims? 3)Will these work with the 6DOF IR Track4? Any other comments and comparisons are appreciated. I am new to this, and have been trying to get as much info as possible, but wanted to hear some first hand acounts  Thanks for any info!! | ||
| ku Rating: N/A |
You wont be happy at all with the i-glasses PERIOD... Plus thier price is still way to high and no tracking, the Z800 optics are way better and the screen is bigger too!! I've tried them both and have the Z800 now... IF you sit right and disable the headtracker then yeah you could use the trackIR, I have the new trackIR4 and find it to be better for tracking then the Z800's. Ku | ||
| Jauns1 Rating: N/A |
I don't agree Ku. I have a i-glasses and like the image it is a good size. The plus I think to the i-glasses is that it has a metal outer shell and not plastic like the Z800 and the head speakers are on the outside too and not little ear speakers you have to put in your ear. You can tell it is made right. | ||
| sabre2th Rating: N/A |
I am not too worried about the headphones as I have a pair of really nice Full headphones I would use anyway. I like the responses so far. How is the immersion "factor" on the z800 compared to the I-glasses? the FOV seems it would be way better on the Z800... am I right in saying that? Sounds like its almost twice as much. I plan on using the TrackIR4 because the 6DOF, and no 60 degree vertical limit. If I just sit in a chair in front of this tracker, will it work ok? Thanks for all the great help for a newb... I don't want to feel pwned if I buy the wrong ones lol. Thanks again. | ||
| Jauns1 Rating: N/A |
My i-glasses work fine and give me a immersive image in 3d. The Z800 uses a 2DOF tracker that is pretty lame. You really don't gain more of a bigger image with the Z800. Don't believe all of the marketing crap. | ||
| Mark S Rating: N/A |
Diagonal view angle on Z800 =40 degrees Diagonal view angle of I-glasses= 26 degrees Thats 50% bigger angle of view in the Z800 by my calculation... | ||
| Jauns1 Rating: N/A |
Mark S I have used both and do not notice a difference in the view. The 40 degress is just marketing crap. | ||
| AlbusD Rating: N/A |
Jauns, Do some math. There is no comparison in FOV. Numbers do not lie , marketing notwithstanding. Looking at pricing and comps, I see no reason to buy the i-glasses , but if you really like the casing/shell that much , stay with them. Sabre - it would be best if you could try them both for yourself. Find someone who owns them or check for a trade show coming up near you maybe. | ||
| Jauns1 Rating: N/A |
Sabre please check them both and see for your self that there is no difference. AlbusD thanks for your permission but the numbers must lie. Are you going to tell me the Z800 does not feel like a cheap toy? You stay with your Z800 and I will stay with quality. | ||
| AlbusD Rating: N/A |
"but the numbers must lie" Okay then. 'Nuf said. | ||
| Jauns1 Rating: N/A |
Okay AlbusD you try both and then you will see. At least I have tried both. 'Nuf said. | ||
| Sabre2th Rating: N/A |
lol. Anyway, I have tried to find somewhere around my area to try them, but no luck. I live in Ga. I have to agree with the numbers showing a larger FOV. How can they be the same, but one have a larger FOV? Am I missing something here, I mean I am a newb at this so please explain Janus1. I appreciate the help! | ||
| Jauns1 Rating: N/A |
Sabre I believe the numbers are wrong. I don't notice a difference and don't know what else to tell you. Try them both and you will see. | ||
| KuDawg Rating: N/A |
Believe me as my name has been on here, I don't know and don't care who Jauns1 is, the FOV size of the screen are not the same, there is and I say IS a differance in the screen size period. Again you left out the fact that for that crazy silly price there is NO headtracking. Also no matter how close you squeez ur face to the i-glasses you will not get a clear picture. This is with my i-glasses I had 2 years ago, if any new optics were put in after that then carry on!! He's talking price with the quality out there, Jaun don't tell me the price of the i-glasses is far better then the Z800 if so then ur doing some Marketing CRAP! | ||
| Jauns1 Rating: N/A |
Kudawg if you like the Z800 that is your opinion and I have mine. What headtracking do you get with the Z800? A cheap 2DOF Piece of shit? My mouse does 2DOF why would I want it again? My view is my view and I have tried both and I am not marketing anything bozo! | ||
| stereojunkie Rating: N/A |
Guys, Guys quit the bashing. Everyone please share your views but respect each other and do not fight. We are all adults here so act like it. | ||
| anon Rating: N/A |
Here we go again.... Get realistic the Z800 blows the i-glasses away!! Cheaper, built in head tracking, USB powered, lighter, vga pass through, built in mic, wider field of view, cleaner image. The z800 is superior. The z800 is 3dof not 2dof. Probably that guy armand again hating on the z800 since he isn't allowed to carry it. LOL | ||
| water1 Rating: N/A |
Hey anon, if your the guy that called me cheap, what I am going to post will make you look right. I was just on the Emagin website and it looks like they have a $100.00 dollar off sale on the Z800 thru Dec.31. So that is somthing else you can add to your list of Pro's for the Z800. | ||
| anon Rating: N/A |
$100.00 off. You are right! http://emagin.com/html/consumer_products.htm | ||
| sabre2th Rating: N/A |
Ok, i think that is going to do it for me. Even IF they were exactly the same, 100 bucks off is very cool! And the reviews and features sound very promising on the z800. | ||
| anon2 Rating: N/A |
I think the z800 might have a built in 6dof tracker take a look at their sdk | ||
| anon3 Rating: N/A |
Nope it is only 2D. | ||
| water1 Rating: N/A |
Look on the website under Tracker questions. It says that it does support X,Y and Z but that right now the mouse emu. program is only useing the X,Y. So if it does support X,Y and Z isn't that more than 2dof ? I think it is, but you tell me. http://www.emagin.com/html/consumer_products_faqs.htm | ||
| sabre2th Rating: N/A |
So the tracker supports 3DOF?!? That would be cool, but what would you have to do in order to make this function? Looks like the software doesn't allow this at the moment. Is this CONFIRMED that it supports 3DOF? I mean maybe that FAQ was written befor the release, and they decided on the 2 DOF instead? | ||
| anon Rating: N/A |
The tracker is 6dof. By the way you guys are going on about 3dof this and that. Not too many apps or gamese even support 3dof. It is 3dof tracker guaranteed. Look at their sdk | ||
| sabre2th Rating: N/A |
Now, I know that the tracker is not 6dof.... look at the prices of gyro or inertial based 6dof trackers... they are in the $1000s for the tracker alone!!! But looks like 3 dof is what it is, which is cool, and I have several games that do support 3DOF or even 3 games that support 6DOF, so I will like this feature | ||
| seeker Rating: N/A |
It is definately a 6DoF tracker. | ||
| sabre2th Rating: N/A |
Maybe I need some more education on this subject. So, say you have a game, like GT Legends that supports 6DOF head tracking. Will this feature work with this HMD? If not, why? It works with a TrackIR4 for example, why would it not work with this tracker if it really is 6DOF? Someone educate me PLEASE!!! | ||
| water1 Rating: N/A |
The programe Emagin wrote for the tracker at this point in time is just a mouse movment program. To get 6DOF they need to write a new program for the tracker that does 6DOF or someone on this board that knows programing can write one useing the SKD software they released. I think thats it? | ||
| ap Rating: N/A |
The tracker in the z800 senses rotation for heading, pitch and bank. That is what is considered "3DOF", or 3 degrees of freedom. 6DOF includes translation (position) on the x,y, and z axes. The tracker in the z800 does not track position. Currently the software that comes with the z800 only supports heading and pitch, and translates this to mouse movement, which is very convenient for 'mouse look' function in gaming. On December 5, e-Magin released an SDK for the z800 that allows full access to the eeprom, video adjustments, and head tracker - using the SDK will allow a programmer to access all 3 rotation axes. I have a z800. The OLED screens are very effective, and powers entirely off the USB port. I have used i-glasses and olympus (both 26deg fov) and the $23K nVisor (60deg fov). The fov in the z800 is definitely between the two and quite good. | ||
| Doctor3D Rating: N/A |
The Z800 head tracker uses a six-degrees-of-freedom MEMS (micro-electro mechanical) sensor, with independent gyroscopes and accelerometers for the X, Y, and Z axes. | ||
| sabre2th Rating: N/A |
I just called emagin, and they told me the tracker was 6DOF. 3 Gyros, and 3 accelorometers(sp?) | ||
| sabre2th Rating: N/A |
Are they pullin my leg? Lol |
