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     Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
Hi,I am the sales representative from Zogano.com, the leading True 3D monitor manufacturing company in the world. Please visit our new website:www.zogano.com (New products coming soon...) I'd like to introduce our new palm 3d media play---- ZOGANO 3D PALM CINEMA, which you could view any 3d movies,photos without wearing glassess. The 3Deffect is shocking! Have you seen any iMax movies? That's the feeling! And,even the color becomes more crystal-clear It's a pity I can't show you any 3d effect on a normal monitor. . It's the first true 3d screen product in the world at affordable price. (Our Official price is $339,A Normal 22"3D Monitor could be worth $16,000!) We have stored many video demos in the SD card which will definately prove it. Free shipping to USA,UK,CANADA,AUSTRALIA Here's the "Avatar",a great 3D movie to be in cinemas soon. Most of great movies will come to 3D from this year,like Avatar,Up,Bolt,Coraline... This is ZOGANO 3D Palm Cinema. Fish out of Screen! You can see that amazing 3d effect without wearing any silly 3d red-blue,or polarize,or any other 3d glassess. Just watch it with your own eye. This is shot in a normal 3d cinema.Watching 3a 3D movie with glassess is tiresome. You needn't wear any glassess when watching a ZOGANO 3D Screen. On a normal TV or monitor, a 3d movie looks like this... Confusing? But,for ZOGANO,when turn on 3d button,the picture will turn out like this... Now,let's take a closer look at our products... First things first,read the Manual. Then,you will see the Zogano 3d Player with a great 7" black screen. Then ,all the accessories See in details the workmanship Another great design---touch sensitive button.The hidden buttons will ailluminate when fingers are close. You will find tons of videos (Nature,Science,Travel,Discovery,3d Demo,CG Game,Sex,) wich support Zogano from video website like Youtube. Full instructions will be enclosed in the package. Life is short. Enjoy it! Factory Direct Ship! WE ALSO WELCOME WHOLESALE BUYERS! More... More Features: Top grade fashion, easy to use With the introduction of European and American popular wave of "Hidden Super Thin Frame Structure", Zogano Three Dimensional Multi-Media Player, which carries a unique digital concept, shows a subtle excellence and significant elegance by a simple practical fashion connotation. By an easy to use feature, you can simply insert a storage medium into the Multi-Media Player, to easily enjoy stored video (photos, movies) and audio (music). Hidden Super Thin Frame Structure With its thickness being only 2.4cm, Zogano Three Dimensional Multi-Media Player use a unique hidden 3Dinlife bracket reducing redundant bracket block, while at the same time clearing tourist’s annoyance of positioning during travel. Also, hidden interface brings a more aesthetic appearance and also prevents dust entering, and hidden button design makes Zogano Three Dimensional Multi-Media Player looking more attractive and natural. Multiple connections Zogano Three Dimensional Multi-Media Player supports a wide range of storage medium, such as Micro SD Card, Compact Flash Card, and easily read replay stored audio and video files. By using high-speed 2.0USB interface, Zogano Three Dimensional Multi-Media Player that supports USB storage, USB card reader and a digital camera to transfer images, audio data. Easy manipulation Zogano Three Dimensional Multi-Media Player provides the user a flexible manipulation program, by which users can choose using hidden button or remote control operation according to the actual environment. Large icon manipulation interface provides users a fresh visual effect in order to operate the various functions, and bring you a comfortable experience. SPECIFICATION FORM Model Zogano Palm Cinema Display Free Naked Eye Stereoscopic TFT Screen Size 7 Inches Three Dimensional Display Support Resolution 800x480 Brightness 350cd/m2 Contrast Rate 400：1 Reachable Visual Angle 130°（H）110°(V) Main Function Video Format MPEG4/AVI 720X480P@30PF,720X480P@30PF AVOUT, Earphone Stereoscopic Output Audio Format MP3 Image Format JPEG Storage SD/MMC Message Record Yes Video Switch Format Menu Switch（PAL/NTSC） Control Format Power Switch Button，Touchable Button， Remote Control Output Interface USB2.0 OTG GPS Function No Built-in Battery 4500 Milliamperes Other Specifications： Eight Special Displaying Effects: normal, black and white, sepia (antique), frames (picture frames), len distortion, Z-light (bright), Chroma (RGB enhancement), edge (edge enhancement)，Music Background， Calendar，Alarm Clock Power 5V DC Input, 2A  (Message edited by zoganocom on October 02, 2009)http://www.zogano.comhttp://www.zogano.com (Message edited by zoganocom on October 18, 2009) | ||
| Fronzel Neekburm (Fronzel) New member Username: Fronzel Post Number: 16 Registered: 7-2009 Rating: N/A |
very very interesting product. I think especially the low price (around 250 Euro) makes it attractive. How much is shipping to germany/Europe? What payment types are accepted (paypal?)? | ||
| Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
Now we are looking for some qualified distributors in Europe.We can accept paypal.(Paypal:sales@zogano.com). The 3d effect,especially out of screen effect,is so amazing(depends on the videos.I have some quality video clips). If you could write an e-mail to me(sales@zogano.com),I'd like to inform you the wholesale price. Many 3d movies could be downloaded from Youtube(Simply key yt3d:enable=true,and search). | ||
| Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
By the way,the cost of shipping to Europe by express mail service is about 10 euro. | ||
| Thomas Kumlehn (Pixelpartner) New member Username: Pixelpartner Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2008  Rating: N/A |
Any plans to upgrade the firmware to full size and european frame rate movies ? 800/720x480@25p instead of only 720x480@30p PIXEL PARTNER (R) Thomas Kumlehn scan/record 35mm film, Stereo3D/CG/VFX coding http://www.PixelPartner.de/openKMQen | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Intermediate Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Is this barrier or lenticular? Viewing angle? Viewing distance? | ||
| Fronzel Neekburm (Fronzel) New member Username: Fronzel Post Number: 18 Registered: 7-2009 Rating: N/A |
It's a parallax Barrier Type display. The nominal angle is 130 Degrees Horizontally and 110 Degrees vertically, but for the full 3D effect i think a much smaller angle is required. No idea about the max viewing distance, probably not very far for such a cute display. I hope Jie Gao will answer that. I really like the compact design and that it comes with rechargable batteries and a remote control, definitely makes this a steal. I really like the idea of having a compact 3D screen i can put in my suitcase for traveling or to impress workmates. I'm gonna order one as soon as my next paycheck arrives. =) The design of the website is not that good, the shop is hidden so well, i needed minutes to find it although i have been on it before. Maybe add it to the front page or top menu? http://shop.zogano.com/ | ||
| Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
It's parallax barrier type display.Best viewing distance is within 2 meters although you could view good 3d effect beyond 2 meters. We should inform the marketing team to improve the website design. As per euro Pal format,we are studying the next generation products.It can not launch before X'mas. But our present product is already so amazing. I do hope somebody can test and write a great review as the third party. | ||
| Fronzel Neekburm (Fronzel) Junior Member Username: Fronzel Post Number: 23 Registered: 7-2009 Rating: N/A |
AH just another question... You have that Tru3D DV thingy... I actually thought it was some kind of modern Viewmaster, you know these 3D image viewers that came with a round reel of a few images? Probably everyone had one as a kid. Well i today found this offer: http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/3ddvrepl.html It seems to be the same device as in your shop, but this one came with a clear description (On your homepage it only shows a picture and in the shop it just says stuff about a gold member ship card or stuff, really didnt get it) and guess what - it's a digital 3D camcorder. Is that the same model as in your store? just asking as this one costs less than half of the model in your store. Unfortunately you have like a whole page about gold card membership written and nothing about what the actual item really is, so I'm not sure. Did i mention the website is really a bit bad designed? I mean you really would expect some info about the products when you click on products, not just 4 uncommented photos. | ||
| Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
Our product is a true 3d dv with a optical stereo system. We are applying patents now, therefore I cannot say more. It is not a toy. The viewing Screen is a 3d monitor,with which you can view 3d effect while shooting a film. You need not even wear glasses. It is the same 3d monitor as our palm 3d system. | ||
| Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
I just learned from R&D that the Zogano website is planning to update soon,for we have some new items to be released.what's more, please note the 3d dv and 3d palm media player are very innovative products. There are quite a few members of Stereo 3d have purchased from us. We are still applying patents for many of our items, therefore we cannot disclose too much information. You know, now, only FUJI has similiar products. We have some resellers all over the world. We donnot comment on any products from other sources. Thank you! | ||
| Fronzel Neekburm (Fronzel) Junior Member Username: Fronzel Post Number: 24 Registered: 7-2009 Rating: N/A |
Still i think when you want to sell a product you should honestly describe all features. For a product costing 1700 USD you would expect to read about all technical features. I am sure you would also not buy a new car if the manufacturer does not tell you how many horsepower it has or if it is equipped with air-conditioning or not. I am sure i will order a Palm media Player to test, but about the 3D DV after some looking at the photos i am sure it is identical with the product in your shop. You dont need to comment that if you don't want to, but still i am a bit surprised as i would have expected you are the manufacturer, so you should be able to be the one offering it for the best price, or at least not more than double the price. You could at least confirm that it is an official reseller or not. But obviously it is the same product or are there other manufactuerers with counterfeit products (stealing your design)? I am a bit sad that you don't reveal more information about the 3D DV, as it is quite unique - there are no other 3D camcorders available on the market, so it is definitely interesting. If it is still "secret" before all patent issues are cleared i would not offer it for sale in your shop, it does not give a good impression to the customer. I also find the naming a bit odd, 3D DV does not sound like a camera, i originally would not have guessed it can record video. I would suggest renaming it to 3D DV Camcorder, so everyone will immediately understand "Hey i can record my own 3D video with this", I am sure that would help enhance sales. | ||
| Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
Dear Fronzel, Many thanks for your kind advice. The 3D DV is still at the stage of concept.I can tell you at the moment you can not expect an industrial 3d effect on a consumer 3d DV.This is not a final product.We listed the price which doesn't mean we can sell it as final product.We can now sell this product simply for further test. If you are a 3d fan you should know the actual price for a normal 3d monitor(I mean true 3d monitor with no need of glasses).Is $1500 enough? The theory of 3d dv is actually very simple.Keep 2 cameras at a certain distance.This way one picture from one camera differs slightly from the other. If you are interested in this kind of products,please contact me.Perhaps I can reveal more info. | ||
| Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
ZOGANO 3D Stereo DV (concept stage): Specification Movie/Video Capture: real-time MPEG-4 encoding( 3D/2D), stereo mp3 encode and discoed. Image Capture: JPEG encode/discoed(3D), 2D image up to 3megal pixels. Memory Support: maximum 8GB capacity of SD/MMC card. Monitor: build-in optical grating naked eye 2.2 inch stereo LCD 3D stereo binocular display module Camera: focal length: wide-angle lens( equivalent to 35mm of optical film camera as the 35mm focal length of the lens) The two optic axis distance: 60mm USB Version: 2.0 high speed interface Audio And Video Interface: A/V output intercalation interface. Power: built-in power supply: +3.7V 1800mAh, working around two hours continuously. (binocular-module energy consumption will be much quicker) External Power: +5V DC power adapter. Dimensions: 130X142X50MM | ||
| Fronzel Neekburm (Fronzel) Junior Member Username: Fronzel Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2009 Rating: N/A |
What about video capture? I hope it is more than 640x480 like in the offer i linked to. because even the 15 years old Toshiba 3D cam records in 640x480. 2D image up to 3 magepixel is fine, but what about video? And what about a camera tripod, can one be attached? Especially for video i find a tripod usefull as it is hard to hold the camera calm enough. Also the steady cam can be used with a standard tripod adapter, so for everything that goes above a pure gimmick into serious camera ranges should have a tripod adapter and hopefully record video in full HD resolution. I dont compare the 3D DV with a monitor. I am aware it can be used as one, but with the design - you would hold it in front of his head like a binoculars with both hands? I can do that for a minute then my arms would start hurting probably. maybe it can be used as kinda HMD if you offer a headmount, but without one it would probably be too uncomfortable for use as a screen. I see its only serious use as a 3D camcorder (For a photo camera in 3D it is too bulky compared with Fuji model which costs around 500-600 USD). I would also be interested in the screen used in this, what is their resultion? I still think that maybe with a headmount it could be used as a HMD if the resolution is high enough. (Message edited by fronzel on October 18, 2009) | ||
| Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
Dear Fronzel,Glad to see your post again.From your description,I know you want something for professional jobs.I can say,right now the Zogano 3d dv is not suitable. It's only a consumer class item. The good news is,that we will produce a HD version 3d dv,which can support 1280x720p,5m cmos.I can;t reveal more info now,because it is still at the concept stage.I do hope that can meet most of your requirements. | ||
| Fronzel Neekburm (Fronzel) Junior Member Username: Fronzel Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2009 Rating: N/A |
Glad to hear you are among the few companies that still develop! I already thought about buying a used Toshiba SK-3D7K 3D Video Camcorder. If I'm not wrong the only 3D camcorder ever commercially produced before the 3D DV. But it is 20 years old, still using analog VHS-C tapes and has only two 640x480 CCD. Now, that over 20 years later finally a 3D camcorder with HD resolution will hit the market is like a dream coming true. I hope it will have a handy case (I think the binocular type is not that great to hold while filming) and a tripod adapter, so it can be used with a camera tripod or steady cam. I think it is very important to have a tripod adapter as for professional use you don't have much use for shaking free-hand recordings. | ||
| Jie Gao (Zoganocom) New member Username: Zoganocom Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2009 Rating: N/A |
Thank you for your advice!Your advice will be forwarded to our R&D. | ||
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| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Intermediate Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Fronzel, Where have you been? The Fuji 3D digital camera does 640x480 video right out of the box. That is far bette than the Toshiba ever hoped to do in VHS. | ||
| Fronzel Neekburm (Fronzel) Junior Member Username: Fronzel Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2009 Rating: N/A |
Hi larry, I am aware that the Fuji takes 640x480 videos which i think is one of the main drawbacks in that device. As a fact the Toshiba also records in 640x480 and it is around 20 years old. I find it ashaming that with todays tech we have the same resolution as 20 years ago, even if video in a photo camera is more of a "gimmick". I cant see how this is "far better", actually its on par, okay due to the fact it is not saved on VHS-C in the Fuji makes it better, but still disappointing to wait 20 years to get the same resolution in the newest "hype" product. really looking forwards to Zoganos HD 3D camcorder... | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Intermediate Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
The Fuji is 640x480 each side. The Toshiba is interlaced. The quality is not similar. You have never compared the two side-by-side. | ||
| Fronzel Neekburm (Fronzel) Junior Member Username: Fronzel Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2009 Rating: N/A |
Dear Larry, trust me when i tell you that i know the difference between side-by-side and interlaced format. From a historical viewpoint you are of course right, the side-by-side is superior and so are the CCDs used in the Fuji. Still the Toshiba SK-3D7K was introduced in 1988 on the LAs vegas CES. While a 640x480 (Or "half of it" as interleaved halves the vertical res) was "pretty impressive" back in 1988 it is like the worst available in 2009. Now 21 years later every crap 10$ webcam has a 640x480 resolution and while this may be suitable as a "gimmick" or for personal use it is out of discussion to call that "impressive" today. I'd recommend the Fuji Finepix W1 as a 3D photo camera for stills, which it is great for, but for sure not as a camcorder for video. I am still crossing my thumbs it will become a bestseller as this would imho straighten the path for some full HD 3D camcorders. | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Advanced Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
VHS, even SVHS is never really 640x480. You are well into the noise floor at that point. You must know that. It just can't store that bandwidth. In addition, there is a color-burst taking away from even what could have been. If VHS had been a true 640x480, there would have never been a Beta format. Hi8 nor even DVD would have never taken off. Second, what is stored on the Fuji is indeed only 640x480 for a number of reasons, none of which is directly technical. They have more to do with standards than anything else. They got beaten up pretty quickly on a 'new non-standard format' for stills. There still are no solid formats for 3D with DVD or blu-ray, and my guess is Fuji is waiting for that like everyone else. The imagers are 10 mega-pixel, and most of what is stored is done with frame averaging. In addition, it's a heavily compressed format. The RAW image would be great but an SDHC can't store at that bandwidth for very long; in fact the Fuji only guerentees RAW for XD (limit 2Gb... minutes!) Resolution is certainly not everything, we could talk about dynamic range too. VHS cameras like the Toshiba tend to mute colors in low lighting. Modern cameras do not. Technical achievement is certainly NOT what this thread is about; we were talking a barrier 3D display in this thread. You can make your own with some transparancy media and a good printer. What we are talking is putting it together in a package and marketing it. Fuji at least understood that fixed position lenses don't do everything a 3D photographer needs to do, but they try to fix it in software for stills. They knew that it wasn't that easy for a movie. Toshiba tried to market a product in 1988, and abandoned it. In 1988 I was doing parallel Sharp Hi-8 cameras on a bar because VHS just isn't up to the task, and easily doubling the bandwith of any VHS. It's more work but is superior. As 'lame' as you think the Fuji is, it's far better than my parallel Hi-8's were (except that I can move the lenses on the bar). Unless 3D 'takes off' (which never seems to happen), Fuji may drop their work too. Stockholders are never impressed with technical issues and 'shareholder value' is everything. Besides, the cost will keep people away in droves. The Zongano display is nice, but hardly revolutionary. Ditto the Fuji or the Toshiba. If a HD 3D camcorder happes, it will take a much faster processor than anything in any camera today. |
