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     Anonymous Rating: N/A |
What adaptor (NuView?) need for Sony HDR-HC1 HDV camcorder? This camcorder able record on standart DV tape compressed interlaced mpeg2 4:2:0 25Mbps with resolution 1440x1080i60/50. In post possible make over/under mpeg2 or wmv stream 960x540p30 (960x1080) However rig with two camcorder HC1 possible too if money no problem.In this case you can get more resolution but need more horsepower PC. You can read review about Sony HC1 camcorder there: http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Sony-HCR-HC1-Review.htm Regards, Serge V. | ||
| M.H. Rating: N/A |
Some bad news based on the my knowlideg of the problematic: 1) The composite output neccesary for NuView work is probably not active in HDV mode 2) Form the camera design it loks like NuView will produce vigneting ... 3) mpeg2 and used 4:2:0 does nto work optimal for stereoscopic puprose in interlaced mode (the algortim expects the fileds are almost similar and not stereoscopical) 4) The camera does not offer progressive recording - if you will use 2 it will be neccesary to deinterlace each strem. It gives good results but it is still very far from progressive camera result. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Thank you, Michal for detailed explanation. What you think about 3d camera based on single CMOS which able to capture 120fps (page flipped) with resolution 1280x720? What kind of optical lenses combined with LCD(or mechanical) shutter exist in market? Regards, Serge V. | ||
| M.H. Rating: N/A |
Serge: I generalty thing that using optical attachments to singe camera is a very bad solution ... Why ? - wigneting - fixed interocular distance - light intensity reduction in the shuter system (70%). I do not know about any mechanical shuter system. - troubles with light polarization in the shuter system (solution based on wave retarders reduce light intensity again) - reflections on the optical attachment - corruped geometry during zooming I know what I speak about - I had recorded 2 relatively long movies by NuView ("Bastard Vega - gold of Hanz Hagen" and "Warriror without heart") ... I thing that using dual cameras (preferably progessive, but good deinterlacesr can solve this) is a better solution ... I thing about opurchasing 2x HDR-HC1 HDV (PAL version when it will be available) + LANC synchroniser for my company. I had seen samples made by Werener Bloos by similar system - after sophisticated deinterlacing it looks good (but still not as good as data from Sony CineAlta system in progressive mode witch we use for profesional work) ... | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Hi,Michal! Two camcorders HDR-HC1 + LANC synchroniser is cost less than $4000... I've must agree is a better solution for today. But tomorrow newest camcorders from Panasonic must be tapeless and offer better compression DV 100Mbps than Sony's MPEG2 25Mbps and color space 4:2:2 vs 4:2:0. Only question:how possible to synchronise these P2 Panasonic camcorders ? Thank you. Serge V. | ||
| PeterM Rating: N/A |
Sorry Michael But your info is not completly right. First Sony HC1 Does otput a PAL Fbas when recording HDV video at the same time But because downconverting needs time there is a frame delay and the NuView could not sync wihout electronic to shift the Sync Puls. But this is not a big deal. Second Vignetting is a problem in 40mm wideangle. From 50mm it work propper. Mpeg 2 works evem in HDV. All I max films in DVD is produce in Mpeg2. But and this is right. If the movement is too big the Mpeg compressor i the Sony camerea work bad. So the system can be used under all bright ( outdoor) consitions and for the most 3D application. But not for sports and racing application. Of cause the best is to use two Progessve camera. The best choise at the moment is the JVC 100 HDV. They has two movebel lenses which can be mechanical syncronize. Yes Sony cineAlta system is wonderful, but sometimes out of budget. | ||
| M.H. Rating: N/A |
Peter: You mean JVC GY-HD100U model ? How do you want to synchronize one (I mean move start) ? It does not have genlock conector in the specification .... During our practicla testing we had several time proven, at least 0.001 s sync. precision is a total must for scenes with movement .... | ||
| Serge V. Rating: N/A |
Hi guys! You can read about dual JVC HD100 system and download video sample here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=51074 Anybody tested Wasol 3D58 LenSys with Sony's HDV camcorders? http://wasol.co.kr/english/product.htm Regards Serge V. | ||
| HD3D fan Rating: N/A |
i have one of the new Sony HD1 HDV 1080i mini HD camcorders $1999 at Best Buy...well i am thrilled to tell you it afixes to my NuView perfectlly!!!!! i have shot some 3d HD footage and if you can display it on a Sony 1080i CRT HDTV (that is NOT progressive scan) using standard shutterglasses you will witness 3d HDTV.......also the beautiful little Sony HD1 HDV HD Camcorder works very well with a BensLens for true HD anaglyph....when you show my anaglyph HD footage on one of the brand new 1080p HD monitors the anaglyph 3d is quite awsum | ||
| PeterM Rating: N/A |
@HD3Dfan OK you say it works. Which model you use NTSC or PAL. And with which signal you sync the NUview. In our test the HC1 PAL does not work well. We use the videocable (yellow one to syc Nuview) shutterspeed fixed to 50 (for NTSC it should be 60) We record in HDV mode. Than the output of the SD cideo has a delay of about half frame. WE MUST use a dely to sync the nuview. At the moment we used for testing a Genlock adjustable Blackburst generator. but of ause this is a very expensive methode. For the price of thsi system you can by the HC1 camerea and Nuviev. At the moment our engeneer working for a simple methode. But maybe we think to complicated. Def our NU view could not be sync with the HDV signal. Please share how it works under your methode @MC We use a lan sync. But you are right you could not sync the starting better than 0.001 sec. But when i understand right it is a problem in in combination with high speed shutter. But for most of our work its OK. Remind the JVC work with 24,25 or 30p so very high speed application is limited too from this side like film. In the case of high price productions we used Sony professional HD camerea with genlock. But most productions do not has the budget for this, and we don not own this camerea in our company. An alternate maybe will be the new Canon HDV camerea. It has genlock an will be cost around 10000 US$ each. But here you hve the problem of modifying the lenses because they are not so easy to sync. @Serge about the wasol. We want to try this system, but they are not very informatly on the phone. They do not want to give us price and they do not want to sell the system to us The information was " The market for 3D video is very smal. Ok we are in cantact with them. If we find a reasonable agreement I will fly to Korea next month and will report. | ||
| M.H. Rating: N/A |
LANC-synchronziation: There is not problem with sycn. to hight speed shuter. The key problem is always with scenes with fast motion .... Generaly you can not have better than 0.016 sync with NuView = thsi device is for no use for 60% scenes we shoot. | ||
| PeterM Rating: N/A |
@MH I think we speak from differd topic. I understand#your question how to sync two JVC camerea for a two lenses 3D system. In this case I do not speak from NuView For NuView of cause the system is worst because the minimum time is the time between too half pictures. In NTSC 0.016 and in Pal 0.02. This is the reason you could not use it for quick movements and I agree you could not use it for lets say half of the productions. In additional the optical quality is too bad. Btw I asking my self how the the WASOL solve this problem. When I understand it right they use a mechical shutter to seperate the frame. Although with this methode they dont have problems with lightsensity and polarization problems. In additional they have no problem with differnt lenght for right and left eye, but they still should have the problem of the delay by using the interlace methode.They offer me more than seveal thousends US$ for renting the system for one month For us the best solution is to use two camerea. At the moment we are in waiting position for try the new canon camerea which have a Genlock. But there we have to sync the lenses. Its a pitty that the JVC does not has a Genlock. This would enhance the performance much more than to use LanC controler. You understand our idea is to have a nearly perfect system for a price in the area of less than 20000 US§. We do not have enough 3D film customer to pay us two prof Sony HDTV camerea or better to CinaAlta. Understand me right Nuview is fine for simple video for DVD interlace for eg headmounted displays, but for nothing more. | ||
| 3dHD fan Rating: N/A |
i shoot standard NTSC 1080i mode. it seems simple to me the mini camcorder Sony HD1 HDV in 1080i mode afixed to my NuView. i shoot footage in HD mode 1080i. i then using the red, blue ,green component cables in too the Sony CRT 1080i monitor, and standard shutter glasses.....play tape and 3d images apear in sharp clear HD on the monitor, i put on the shutterglasses and the 3d looks great to me.....very simple ,now i don't have all the technical knowhow of you guys but you all tend to over complicate simple things | ||
| Serge V. Rating: N/A |
I've agree with PeterM.Wasol adaptor look very expencive for HDV camcorder. 3dHD fan, you can upload 5-10 sec of mpeg2 HDV stream original recorded with NuView? Thanks in advance, Serge V. | ||
| 3d HD fan Rating: N/A |
sorry Serge V i am a computer dummie i don't have a clue as to how to get my Apple IMac G4 laptop to upload 5-10 secounds of mepeg2 HDV.....now if there is someone out there that could explain it to me in simple everyday laymen terms i would try | ||
| PeterM Rating: N/A |
OK I wrote in an other topic about the MY Nuview problems. But i repeat. The timediffernence between real syc on the Cmos ship and the SD sync which will be used for syc the LCD in Nuviwe ( yellow calble)is not sync. This cause on my tested systems a ghosting on down or top of the picture. Its the time the shutter LCD needs to switch. Onder normal DV condition the syc is ´between the half pictures, so rigth eye is right eye and left eye is left eye. As i told you can solve this problem most in adjuting the shutter speed.(eg PAL 150) But this cause for me to less sensity of the system. At the moment I do not see any really good 3D sample. my methode capture HC1 stream with Capdvhs.exe. This free programm will capture the original Mpeg stream. Than I import to after effects and export as single picture sequenz. than I go to photoshop and seprate the sample picture to right and left eye picture by using the viedeo filter. the result is that you can see a more or less ghosting in vertical part of the picture. Most 10 % from down if you use PAL and 50 shutterspeed. Some of you asking me why to be so critical. But i am thnking why to using HDV system if the all over all result is not OK. I am lokking for the all over all performance and not only for the wonderful resulution. Sorry I do not have Apfel computer so I do not know how to captur there. | ||
| PeterM Rating: N/A |
I try again to pull this Thread to the top. As I explained. Infact of dissyc during downconverting from HDV to SD video to "drive" the Nuview. I do not see any 3d footage with Sony HC1. So many people write it work but NOBODY send a link to download a 10 sec footage to check. ANY NWES | ||
| 3d HD fan Rating: N/A |
well i have had no one tell me how to put my 3d HD field sequential footage on the internet. now i have burned a DVD but its not HD. so until i have a HD DVD burner i cant prove the HD. but my Sony HDI HD with a NuView works,when played on a CRT HD 1080i HDTV. pal might be the problem???? now there is a company in Germany Cyberhaven that is workng on a vga box for progressive sca HD TVS so they say it works with the X3D 2D -3D system. | ||
| louloutetmtm (Louloute) New member Username: Louloute Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2006 Rating: N/A |
3d HD fan: I do not understand why it seems to work for you whereas it doesn't for me... I recorded in 1080i and the green light is on. The A/V out of the camcorder is linked to the NuView. But I have a lot of ghost effets even on the resulting left and right images (even and odd field). It looks such as if left and right images were surimposed even on the right and on the left image (separatly). It seems to depend on the distance between the object and the camcorder. For closest objects in front of the camcorder it seems to work fine. Other people have the same problem. Can you please describe the menu option of the camcorder do you use? Louloute | ||
| louloutetmtm (Louloute) New member Username: Louloute Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2006 Rating: N/A |
I finally solved the problem by increasing the shutter speed. Now it works well. Louloute | ||
| Jorge (Jorge) New member Username: Jorge Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2006 Rating: N/A |
louloutetmtm, could you share with us some footage shot with a nuview, please? What camcorder do you use? NTSC or PAL version? Thanks! | ||
| gl (_gl) New member Username: _gl Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2008 Rating: N/A |
Guys, I hope some of you are still reading this thread. I recently got a Nuview for use with a Canon HV20 and found the sync delay. I've since electronically delayed the signal, however I can only get a clean separation between views at 1/120 - at 1/50 there is massive ghosting. The delay works, I can offset the blocked area vertically, but it seems like the LCD shutters response time is simply too slow to fully block the view when the cam shutter is wide open. You can see me adjusting the (digital) delay here: http://vimeo.com/860602 My question is, is this normal for the Nuview at 1/50 (or 1/60 for NTSC folk)? Or do you get a clean separation? (Message edited by _gl on April 14, 2008) (Message edited by _gl on April 14, 2008) | ||
| baakeandy (Baakeandy) New member Username: Baakeandy Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2010 Rating: N/A |
Whatever your purposes in converting an Sony AVCHD camcorder video, you can get the method here, so just know how to do it. you can google Aunsoft Sony Camcorder Column to get it. http://www.aunsoft.com/camera/sony.html |
