| Author | Message | ||
     DJwoody Rating: N/A |
Hi all! I've just ditched my old anaglyph glasses and upgraded to some brand spanking new shutter glasses! (well ebay new anyway LOL) The problem is that the range of field sequential films seems to be a little on the limited side! Has anyone got any ideas? It's getting to the point where i'm tempted to buy some DVD's from our antipodean ebay friend, and judging from some of the posts on here thats not a wise move! LOL Take it easy Dave | ||
| Charles Rating: N/A |
If you're interested in pirated copies (the only kind available for 1950s and 1980s theatrical 3-D films), you can find dozens on eBay. The image quality of these DVD-Rs varies considerably. Most are poor quality. Razor3D sells legal commercial 3-D DVD films, but MOST ARE 2-D TO 3-D CONVERSIONS which Razor3D dishonestly advertises as real 3-D. The only legal, true 3-D DVDs of theatrical films formatted for shutter glasses that I'm aware of are "The Creeps," Spy Kids 3-D," the IMAX series, "Santa vs. the Snowman," and now apparently "Shark Boy and Lava Girl." You won't be able to see a visible difference in playback quality between the Sensio and field-sequential format, so I don't recommend paying extra $ for the Sensio version when you have a choice. There's also at least one porno true 3-D commercial DVD (straight to video movie)on the market if you're into that. If any forum readers are aware of other true 3-D DVDs, please add to this list .Thanks. | ||
| DJwoody Rating: N/A |
Thanks! It such a shame it's not possible to get those old 1950 B movies. Still the creeps sounds like it's on par with them at least. LOL Thanks again. Dave | ||
| real3dcheap Rating: N/A |
i have lots of REAL field sequential 3d stereoscopic DVDs. Crystal Lakes vol 1-8 nude priviate dancer,Korin Castro hot, nude posing.large Civil War battles, in 3d DVD | ||
| Andrew Woods (Andrew_woods) New member Username: Andrew_woods Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2006 Rating: N/A |
I maintain a list of 3D movies and 3D DVDs here: http://www.3d.curtin.edu.au/3dmovies/index.html | ||
| andy roz (Wingtipvortex) New member Username: Wingtipvortex Post Number: 4 Registered: 2-2007 Rating: N/A |
ive now purchased 9 of the fs movies ranging from the 50s to the 80s and as long as you know what your buying they work just fine. I bought from the Masters. If you love 3d you will be satisfied. | ||
| 3d-geek (Rrrrob) Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 44 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
just be careful...your use of "the masters" sounds like you are buying from Australia, and that seller claims EVERYTHING is from 'the masters'. | ||
| andy roz (Wingtipvortex) New member Username: Wingtipvortex Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2007 Rating: N/A |
Hi, yeah i am buying these from Bob in Adelaide, Australia. But as i say ive been very selective in my purchases and have received the movies i have selected(not living 3d as they are a waste of time for me)and they have been prompt and without hassle. But thanks for the warning  | ||
| 3d-geek (Rrrrob) Intermediate Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 77 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
i see someone in the US is now offering titles in fake 3D, but not disclosing it (Inferno, Rue Morgue, sadie thompson, etc.), which are NOT in true 3D)....but I see people are leaving glowing reviews about the quality, etc., so I guess no one is hurt since they are too stupid to realize they are buying 2 dimensional 3D movies.... | ||
| Andrew Woods (Andrew_woods) Junior Member Username: Andrew_woods Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2006 Rating: N/A |
These three titles (Inferno, Rue Morgue, sadie thompson) were originally shot in 3D but I have never heard of them being available in real field-sequential 3D DVD format. See my list here: www.3dmovielist.com/list.html | ||
| 3d-geek (Rrrrob) Intermediate Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 78 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
the list keeps growing from this seller; jvaro, sangaree, the maze, etc--i fear it may turn more people off to 3d once they realize they've been scammed... | ||
| Chris Cowie (Chrisc007) New member Username: Chrisc007 Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2007 Rating: N/A |
Aaarrgghhh - I was just in the process of backing up all my 3D films - some have been very difficult to come by. Anyway, my only copy of Dial M has gone bad - disk can no longer be read - I've tried it on a dozen PCs with no luck. Can anyone do me a copy? I'm based in the UK. I'm quite happy to trade. | ||
| Scott Warren (Scott_warren) Junior Member Username: Scott_warren Post Number: 38 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
Have you tried ISOBuster http://www.isobuster.com/ (and its "Managed Disc Image" feature, which can make use of multiple drives ((and their various sensitivities and read strategies)) to keep the best "reads" and create a composite)? Best to use the Pro/Registered version, esp. for its extended UDF recovery featurs. Have you tried cleaning the disc with liquid hand soap? Have you tried a disc polisher? Good luck, Scott | ||
| 3d-geek (Rrrrob) Intermediate Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 79 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
my understanding was furniture polish works well on minor scratching, assuming scratches is the problem...Brasso polishing for deeper scratches. | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Try isobuster before doing ANYTHING to the physical surface. Even the free download version and some TIME will usually get you most everything back. I've had several discs that did not exist to the OS that Isobuster recovered. | ||
| Paul Gaskill (Prg4533) New member Username: Prg4533 Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2007 Rating: N/A |
Chris Cowie (Chrisc007): Email me at prg4533@comcast.net. I can get you a copy and would love to trade. Paul | ||
| Todd Moore (Todd3d) New member Username: Todd3d Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2007 Rating: N/A |
I shot a film that I've just released in Field Sequential format. It's a 30 minute black and white short subject called TALES OF THE DARK AVENGER: FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS. There's an anaglyphic version for sale on Amazon.com, but if you go to my website you can get the FS version. The FS version should be available on Amazon in the next couple of weeks, however. http://www.cliffhangerproductions.net | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
I'm currently experimenting converting my 3D anaglyph DVDs to Field Sequential as when I use the red/blue glasses, my right eye goes bloodshot after about 20 minutes and starts feeling sore. I have no problems with the shutter glasses though and can sit through a whole movie with no ill feelings. Anyway, I have just done a short test conversion on "Journey" (I hated the anaglyph version but love the film) and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the result. My first effort and it was perfect...full colour and true depth of field with the rocks sticking out in the foreground and distance set well back etc. I stood watching this test clip with my mouth open in disbelief...lol Here is a brief explanation of my method.... 1) Rip both standard and anaglyph versions to hard drive using DVDFab Decrypter or other software onto hard drive. 2)Convert both versions to seperate AVI files and audio files using DVD2stereoavi. Use the microsoft codec4 to compress and you end up with two avi files of about 1.5Gb + a wav file...you only need to rip one. 3) Open the anaglyph file and swap left/right to get best colour version and then experiment with the now left file to improve alignment and colour. 4) This bits a bit vague as I'm still experimenting...either save as Left/Right File or seperate Chromakey file. 5) Rename the original full colour file as r (right) file, then open both up and set them to interlace. 6) Tweak the alignment of the interlaced file and save. 7) Add the audio to the finalised file. I used Ulead video studio. Make sure the settings are the same as the original. 8) Play in stereoscopic player. Thats my basic method. I'm about to try the whole movie now but the first sample clip I made amazed me. It was as good as any other field sequential film I have and it was my first attempt....Yay!!!  Gae P.S. I forgot to say...it's a slooooooooow process, even with a 3.2Ghz processor. Each rip or save takes up to about an hour and there are a few conversions to do along the way.  (Message edited by gae on November 27, 2008) | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) New member Username: Tone Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
Gae - some more specific information... I'll use Polar Express anaglyph as an example. 1.) Start with 2 copies of the movie: 2D version and 3D anaglyph version. 2.) Figure out which eye's view the 2D version is (right or left.) We're lucky...PE 2D is the left eye, because... 3.) PE 3D is anaglyph encoded as Red/Cyan, with Red being on the left. Therefore the left eye anaglyph view is composed of only one color primary: red, while the right eye view (the one we're going to use to reconstruct a full color image) is composed of 2 color primaries: green and blue. There's more information to work with! 4.) Convert both videos (2D and 3D anaglyph) from DVD into something your video editor can quickly manipulate. I use Premiere and converting to XVID or DIVX at high bit rates seems to work OK. These will be temporary files, so don't skimp on the bit rate. 5.) Don't assume the two source videos are 100% synchronized. PE is shifted by a couple of frames, and the studio logos at the beginning and end are totally random. Trim out the random leader and trailer, and shift the timeline on one of the source videos until they're perfectly synchronized. Use scene cuts to find the synch point. 6.) I like to build the 3D output as a side by side file (for DVD source, try a width of 1440, 2x720.) Sync is locked and you can playback in other programs besides Stereoscopic Player. 7.) You've got the left eye view already, it's the 2D version (for PE, anyway!) 8.) First step in recreating the right eye view: drop the source Red channel, leaving only the blue and green channel. You now have isolated a right eye view, although the color isn't very good. 9.) Most modern anaglyph conversions are "optimized." Read Peter Wimmer's paper: Anaglyph Methods Comparison. You need to reverse the process to get some semblance of realistic color. 10.) There's not enough information to fully recover the red channel, so your goal is to make the restored right eye view psychovisually as palatable as possible. Bleed a bit of the green and blue back into the empty red channel until various samples in the scene look decent. Since most "optimized" anaglyph conversions involve some sort of gamma correction, you'll also need to adjust the luminance curve, or perhaps curves for each color primary. Your goal is to minimize retinal rivalry (i.e. luminance differences between the two eye's view.) Look at very dark scenes and also very bright scenes. Get them both to work. I also found that a Proc-Amp helps in getting the final color adjustments just right. 11.) Side-by-Side is also helpful in doing the color adjustments, as you can quickly sample lots of different scenes and tweak the color restoration while watching the original full color and reconstructed version at the same time. 12.) The pure red portions of the images will never reconstruct. 13.) PE is problematic because many of the scenes are so dark. All the right eye color/gamma adjustments will bring up the noise level that was buried in the original DVD MPEG-2 encode. Blu-Ray sources may fare better. A noise filter can also help, but may blur the image slightly. 14.) If you've got lots of patience, you could tweak the color restoration on a scene-by-scene basis. The results are actually quite good, just as the OP claims. WorldWide3D (Message edited by tone on November 29, 2008) | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Wow Tony...thanks for that valuable information. I'm pretty new to this and if I'm honest, I tend to do things by trial and error rather than any scientific knowledge of the subject, which in this instance, is pretty basic on my part. Essentially I think I have been doing pretty much what you have said but in a more haphazard, hit and miss way. With "Journey" I'm pretty sure that the 2D image is on the right so what I am trying to do is make as accurate a colour reproduction as I can from the anaglyph version and then interlace the two of them in the final version. I think thats what I did with my first attempt at least, which I had very good luck with...the 3D and colour looked great. So far though, I haven't managed to duplicate what I did...lol!! I'm having fun trying to rectify this, but this time I'm taking care to note every move. Thanks for the info once more. Gae (Message edited by gae on November 28, 2008) | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) New member Username: Tone Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
More explanation of the anaglyph 3D stereoscopic conversion process, along with example pictures, at WorldWide3D. http://www.worldwide3d.com/ | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Tony, thanks for the link but it was a carbon copy of what you pasted above...lol. Journey is nearly finished...yippee!! Hopefully I'll enjoy watching it again later on, minus the eyestrain of the anaglyph version! Gae (Message edited by gae on November 29, 2008) | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) New member Username: Tone Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
Gae - guess you didn't like the pictures, then? http://www.worldwide3d.com/ | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 151 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
how did it turn out, gae? | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Anaglyph Trailer http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/stereoscopic#watch%3Dv10851388GQtqrGF Frankenstein vs the Wolfman 3d from http://www.daredevilfilms.net Order FS + Anaglyph DVD for $9.95USD from http://www.daredevilfilms.net/FvTWM/dvdorderform.htm | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Saw Jonas Brothers 3d field sequential at http://www.underground3dmovies.com/ | ||
| Lane LastNamePrivate (Vrjunkie) New member Username: Vrjunkie Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2007 Rating: N/A |
Has anyone here dealt with the guy from underground 3d movies - what's the quality been like? Thanks, VRJUNKIE | ||
| andy roz (Wingtipvortex) New member Username: Wingtipvortex Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2007 Rating: N/A |
The quality and service is exellent. Movies vary, but is explained in their description honestley. If he says 10/10, it is, 7/10, it is 7/10 and so on. Ive been nothing but happy with movies and service. I have purchased 15+ movies from there, all FS | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 154 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
google 'field sequential 3d' for alternatives... | ||
| andy roz (Wingtipvortex) New member Username: Wingtipvortex Post Number: 8 Registered: 2-2007 Rating: N/A |
Why would you need to "google" field sequential 3d? There is way too many answers in doing that. All the information is right there in the previous post, I find that strange Rrrob. | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) New member Username: Tone Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
I think Rrrrob was trying to remind readers of 3D-Geek without overtly advertising in this thread. In any event, both 3D-Geek and Underground3DMovies have been very service oriented, have honest self ratings of their conversion quality, and quite fair pricing, IMO. | ||
| andy roz (Wingtipvortex) New member Username: Wingtipvortex Post Number: 9 Registered: 2-2007 Rating: N/A |
Ah yes, i didn't see it from that angle, my apologies. I havn't tried 3d geek, i may have a look. | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Youtube has a new 3d movie player you get to select your style of glasses eg. Coraline http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqQXCB-hFkw | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 155 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Duplicate post disregard (Message edited by rrrrob on September 16, 2010) | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Coraline field sequential Saw it at http://www.underground3dmovies.com/ | ||
| joe erickson (Monkeyplaying) New member Username: Monkeyplaying Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2009 Rating: N/A |
I was looking at a still from 3Dgeek's youtube video sample. I noticed before that his screen captures on his website did not look as clean as underground3D's but I thought it could be just the process he used to capture and upload. The adjusted images seemed blurry and had color problems, almost like jpeg compression. The images on his website are his choice and I would suspect he would choose his better looking scenes. But the video clips he posted clearly shows color problems and blurriness in many of the scenes. Again, I thought maybe the problem was with how the film was uploaded and processed for youtube viewing. I do not own two versions of any film from both 3Dgeek and underground3D to do a side by side comparison, but someone should do some comparisons of their work. From the samples they have posted I think underground3D is doing superior work. | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 156 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
if you say so... (Message edited by rrrrob on September 16, 2010) | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) New member Username: Tone Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
IMO both 3D-Geek and Underground 3D do a pretty good job converting anaglyph standard def video to field interleaved. However, inasmuch as there are now quite a few anaglyph films released in Bluray, I'd hope that one or both of them will start doing high def dual stream releases (or side-by-side, top-bottom, etc...) Something that's compatible with Stereoscopic Player or the equivalent. There was a high def dual stream 3D version of Journey circulating on torrents a while back; clearly an anaglyph conversion; so technically it can be done, although obviously there's more processor power involved. Who's ready to take these converted releases to the next level? | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 157 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
how did the hi-def journey look (assuming you got to see it)???? (Message edited by rrrrob on September 16, 2010) | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
underground3dmovies told me they can do High Definition releases for Stereoscopic player email them if your interested. You might need a Bluray drive though not sure. | ||
| joe erickson (Monkeyplaying) New member Username: Monkeyplaying Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2009 Rating: N/A |
I actually do have videos from both of the sellers mentioned as well as some others who do not have store fronts. I just do not have two of the same videos from both sellers to make a good comparison. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. So I was hoping someone could post actual one to one pixel size screen captures of the same scene (hopefully one that was difficult in the anaglyph conversion process) from both sellers to do some analyzing. I think any critique would be helpful to the progress of anaglyph conversions. It seems the techniques have come a long way since Shrek. But with 3D Bluray possibly on its way, maybe it's a pointless discussion. | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Probably a few years of life in conversions until 3d-Bluray takes off big time. But field sequential will still be popular until the new technology is cheap, plus it has the widest selection of movies for now. | ||
| Chris Cowie (Chrisc007) New member Username: Chrisc007 Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2007 Rating: N/A |
Does anyone know if either of these vendors send out other formats, eg. side by side? I might be tempted with a couple of titles but field sequential is only half resolution per eye. Also, I would really like to see them upload video samples rather than just screenshots so we could see for ourselves. | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
"Does anyone know if either of these vendors send out other formats, eg. side by side? I might be tempted with a couple of titles but field sequential is only half resolution per eye. Also, I would really like to see them upload video samples rather than just screenshots so we could see for ourselves." Hmmm, I watch 3D in both side by side and interlaced format and personally, I cant really see much difference on my Infocus X1 which has a native resolution of 800 x 600. It would be different if it was in HD I guess but as the resolution is only NTSC 480 in the first place does it really matter? In side by side format the height stays the same i.e. 480 but the 720 changes, of course, to 1440 to allow for the "side by side" format. I have recently though, started watching 3D with interlaced input with page flip output because I sometimes find that in Stereoscopic Player, the sides can flip over (i.e. you lose the 3D effect) when using the side by side layout. I have a 3.2 Ghz processor so I can't imagine its a memory issue. Does anyone else experience this when using page flip? Gae M (Message edited by Gae on July 24, 2009) | ||
| Chris Cowie (Chrisc007) New member Username: Chrisc007 Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2007 Rating: N/A |
In side by side NTSC format, each eye sees 720x480. In field sequential, however, each eye only sees 720x240 as the images are interlaced to make a total viewing size of 720x480. | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
"In side by side NTSC format, each eye sees 720x480. In field sequential, however, each eye only sees 720x240 as the images are interlaced to make a total viewing size of 720x480." Really? I must get my eyes tested then as I can't see much difference. How does page flip work with interlaced then? Do you see a seperated interlaced image in each eye or does each eye get each side presented to it in it's entirety? I thought the 720 x 240 image reduction only happens when output is set to interlaced. I might be wrong though.  Gae | ||
| Chris Cowie (Chrisc007) New member Username: Chrisc007 Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2007 Rating: N/A |
Hi Gae, It's all to do with the source video rather than how it's displayed. DVD players can only display 720x480 (for NTSC) so, to be DVD compatible, a field sequential video has to be one 720x240 video for the left view horizontally interlaced with a 720x240 video for the right view. When stereoscopic player plays in page flipping mode (I assume) it stretches each view to 720x480. It's similar with Sensio videos, although they are displayed side by side but, again to be DVD compatible, the left eye view is 360x480 and the right eye view is 360x480, so each eye is only seeing half resolution, only this time it is only half of the vertical resolution. I've probably made this sound more complicated than it is, I have a habit of that!! | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 158 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Coraline Trailer in 3D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PwmFyod7xw | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) Junior Member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Saw Sea Monsters 3d available at http://www.underground3dmovies.com/ | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 159 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
how does sea monsters look? (Message edited by rrrrob on September 16, 2010) | ||
| John Richardson (Animationstation) New member Username: Animationstation Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2009 Rating: N/A |
Wow! I had no idea there were so many 3d movies out there! | ||
| Todd Moore (Todd3d) New member Username: Todd3d Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2007 Rating: N/A |
Years ago, I could have sworn the 3-D British shorts were available in field sequential. Specifically, (Now Is The Time) To Put On Your Glasses, Around Is Around, Royal River, and I'm pretty sure there was one or two more. Unfortunately, I have yet to run across them again. Anyone know where I can get them? | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 169 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
battle for terra clip here (in 3d): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaxtmjrumM0 | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 172 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
and a clip from Working for Peanuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl4JYY2isxE | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) Junior Member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Call of the Wild 3d field sequential saw it at http://www.underground3dmovies.com/ | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
{quote}....Call of the Wild 3d field sequential saw it at http://www.underground3dmovies.com/...{/quote} I'm just finishing off my conversion of this and the 3D looks really nice to what is a pleasant family film. Gae M | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 173 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
im starting mine this weekend, in HD | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Hello Rrrob. Is call of the Wild 3D on Blu Ray then or do you have another source? Much as I'd like to see 3D HD, at the moment my system can only cope with 800 x 600 resolution at 85 Hz in page flip output. I am viewing on the Infocus X1. Still looks nice though but I'm sure I'll be upgrading in the next year or so, once things start to settle down in the world of 3D. Gae M | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 174 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
hi gae: by hd, i meant higher than field-sequential...I am using two 720x480 SD streams in above/below format rather than interlacing (the result is double the res of field-sequential). By the way, did anyone buy the anaglyph DVD and were there glasses included???? Mine had no glasses...thought that was strange.... (Message edited by rrrrob on December 27, 2009) | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Oh, I see. I save my conversions to side by side format...1440 x 480 resolution. 2 pairs of glasses were included in my DVD edition....I have so many pairs of anaglyph glasses now...shame I never use any of them.  Gae M (Message edited by Gae on December 27, 2009) | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 175 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Hi Gae: I have found that some media players choke on 1440 x 480 res video...for some reason, above below format works better on slower computers, PLUS the Tri-Def media player does not accept side-by-side format. | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
I have found that some media players choke on 1440 x 480 res video...for some reason, above below format works better on slower computers, PLUS the Tri-Def media player does not accept side-by-side format. Thats why VLC player always crashes then. Thanks for the heads up. I'll try some above and below conversions in the future. The Call of The Wild 3D Trailer on YouTube used the above and below layout now that I think about it. Gae M | ||
| Todd Moore (Todd3d) New member Username: Todd3d Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2007 Rating: N/A |
Got a question. 3-D-geek.net has Revenge of the Creature which they claim is in true stereoscopic 3-D. The last time I bought a 3-D copy of this, it was a fake. In fact, it was pirated from the guy in Australia. Has anyone bought 3-D-geek's RotC and is it the real deal? | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) Junior Member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 29 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Yes all his stuff is genuine 3d, I have it and it is genuine. He doesn't sell fake 3d discs. | ||
| Todd Moore (Todd3d) New member Username: Todd3d Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2007 Rating: N/A |
Cool...I've had the original Creature for quite a few years now and to get a true 3-D of the sequel has always been something I wanted. I'd like to get more 50s films in Field Sequential, but (counting RotC) there's only 11 plus the shorts. I've already got the other 10 so this sorta represents the end of the line, I suppose. Underground 3-D has clips from Kiss Me, Kate and Miss Sadie Thompson on one of their discs, which makes me wonder if they have the whole thing. It would be nice to add those two as well. Maybe someday. | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
I'm still waiting for the Sensio release of this film which has been "coming soon" these past 18 months or so. http://www.sensio.tv/en/home_theater/3d_dvd/soon/default.3d Seriously though, I'm waiting for more field sequential DVD releases of these 3D movies. Spy Kids field sequential is one of the best looking 3D movies out there. The studios need to start releasing more in this format alongside any future 3D Blu Ray releases. Gae M (Message edited by Gae on January 13, 2010) | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Advanced Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
It's not going to happen. Field sequentiial is not the route studios are going to take, at least not at 30 Hz. Studios (Sony, Disney, etc.) have done focus groups. They take these little samples seriously. They believe that their customers don't like flicker, nor colored glasses. Sony is 'going out on a limb' in their opinion to offer the Blu-Rays in a safe, flicker-free format, butcause people may not be willing to pay. If (that's a big if) Sony (or Philips)gets sales of hardware and Blu-Rays, Disney will follow. If they succeed, you would see everything still in existance that was filmed in 3D on Blu-Ray in 2 years. If they don't succeed, it will wait another generation. These are business decisions, based on profit and risk, not technical issues. | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
I forgot about the flicker. I watch field sequential movies on my PC/Projector setup at 85 Hz and don't see any. I keep forgetting that some of our setups are quite unique and of course, companies like Sony are catering for the masses. Mass sales=more money. Gae M | ||
| Todd Moore (Todd3d) New member Username: Todd3d Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2007 Rating: N/A |
Revenge of the Creature from 3-D-geek.net showed up today and yes, it did turn out to be a true 3-D copy of the movie. It looks pretty good, too. My skepticism came from buying a 3-D copy from 3-D Classics, an ebay and ioffer.com seller. The copy he sold me he had copied from the Australia guy and was a completely fake 3-D copy. | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
These fake 3D copies and pseudo 2D to 3D conversions over at YouTube etc aren't helping the true stereoscopic cause much are they? Let's just hope that most people can see the forest for the trees. Gae M | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Advanced Member Username: Charles Post Number: 82 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Larry Elie is right -- The major studios will NEVER release their old 3-D movies in field-sequential format. They don't even bother to take legal action against the many pirated field-sequential versions being sold openly on eBay and various other websites, because that niche market is too tiny to concern them. The big question for Sony and the movie studios is whether there will ever be an on-going mass market for ANY 3-D system that requires glasses. From a historical perspective (the short-lived 3-D fads of the early 1950s and 80s), this doesn't look promising. Widespread acceptance of 3-D television (meaning a profitable bottom line for the manufacturers) may have to wait for the development of a practical consumer-level technology which doesn't require any type of glasses. | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) Junior Member Username: Tone Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
Charles... the door is cracked a little bit open already. Almost 30 years old, Friday the 13th 3D is out in anaglyph Blu-ray and is an easy conversion to dual stream 1920x1080. Disney's Hannah Montana and Jonas Bros. anaglyph Blu-rays convert very nicely, although I don't know who'd want to watch them. Polar Express, Coraline, Final Destination, and B.O.Bs Big Break all convert. Admittedly you need Stereoscopic Player and a brute of a PC to play 'em at full resolution, but we're talking essentially cinema quality dual stream. However, my little Atom based netbook handles dual stream 1024x550x2 just fine. Great for watching green/magenta anaglyphs in red/cyan format. Perhaps Rrrrob and Underground3D don't want to paint too big a target on their backs by releasing full resolution dual stream?? VRtifacts.com | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Advanced Member Username: Charles Post Number: 83 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the info, Tony. I'm aware of the high resolution DVD conversions at the websites you mention. (I've purchased several, and the image quality when played back in OpenGL Stereo is very good.) The specific issue I was addressing in the last part of my post is Sony's gamble with its new 3-D television. In order for that to be a marketing success (which in turn would lead to the release of high-quality 3-D Blu-Ray movies by the major studios), Sony is going to have to sell a LOT of those sets -- they won't make a profit if only hard-core 3-D fans buy them. I just have my doubts that there's a mass market for expensive TV sets requiring shutter glasses for occasional 3-D viewing. The general American public has never shown an enduring interest in 3-D movies, regardless of the technical quality. | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) Junior Member Username: Tone Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
Charles... I agree! There's significant up-front costs in releasing a movie, especially if you're transferring from film masters to Blu-ray, and even more so for stereo. 3D glasses are a deal killer for the US mass market. Perhaps Sony will find more success in other markets...Japan, Europe, Aus? The Japanese market often buys into quirky things. Still they're stuck with the chicken and egg problem. Minimal Content = minimal TVs = minimal content. I also think Americans have a low opinion of 3D simply because they've been burned by so many wretched movies... I'm not talking technical...movies that under normal 2D circumstances wouldn't even be worthy of release direct-to-DVD. I think the first 3D movie I ever saw was "Prison Girls." It'll be hard to sell expensive TV sets which can show only a couple dozen films that are actually watchable. It's great that the FernGully remake, Avatar, is a money maker...that'll stimulate the studios. At least there will be more 3D in the can waiting for an acceptable 3D in-home system. VRtifacts.com | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Advanced Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
It's worse than that folks: I am told that some at Disney are seeing 3D as the ONLY differentiator to keep theatrical releases alive. Think about it. My 61" DLP looks as good at 10 feet as my 24' (wide, not diagonal) theater screen I run does at 30'. Joe consumer knows this. Until 3D, Joe might have been willing to wait until the film was out on Blu-Ray (or pirated, if Joe were so inclined). 3D was supposed to put a stop to that. Then comes Sony (and Phillips) and want to give the homeowner as good (no, better… theatrical 3D is at best triple flashed 24 frames per second) as the theater. Sony has done this before; they bought MGM to keep from losing a court case that might have cost them VCR sales. They want to sell hardware. Film is a second concern. The point is that if 3D doesn’t keep theaters alive, things will change. | ||
| Joseph Bass (Piecutter) New member Username: Piecutter Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
I know as far as Samsung is concerned, it's about selling hardware, but last weeks anouncement of there global alliance with Dreamworks Animation and Technicolor (visit each one's website) has me for one seeing a much rosier picture of the future of home 3D. New Bluray content should be released later this year and Technicolor already has an HD 3D broadcast facility operating in London. Again, consumer adoption is the key. Like many, I purchased my big Samsung flat screen a couple of years ago when Uncle George was passing out incentive checks, and nobody told me 120hz didn't mean it would accept a 120hz signal. I feel a little burned now, and in this market I'm hard pressed to justify buying a new 3D capable version for $3500, not to mention a new 3D Bluray. And I'm pretty sure my situation is exemplary of a large cross section of the populous, so it remains to be seen what 2010 will bring as far as the economy goes. I don't foresee this year as being IT. But it seems to be headed towards setting up 2011 pretty well. Things are definitely going to change. But TV didn't kill the theatre business. Neither did cable movie channels. I don't see home 3D doing it either, as it will take a long time to adopt into average consumer homes. There's enough geek factor involved in the technology that the cinema industry will have plenty of time to adapt to any trends that will result. The only bad place I foresee for anyone to be is heavily invested in any hard media distribution, subject to format change as it is. The prices on hardware will fall as always, and when the market picks up, us "geeks" will find ourselves in the seat of 3D geek envy, until mass adoption takes place, and then we'll have to come back here and rant about the intolerable wait for home holographic theatre. | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Advanced Member Username: Charles Post Number: 84 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
I hate to sound pessimistic, but I'll make a prediction for the record: 3-D televison will NEVER -- as in NOT EVER -- become the standard, the way color TVs replaced B&W, as long as any type of glasses are required. Won't happen, regardless of the quality / volume of 3-D content available and the reduced price of the TV set. As Tony stated above, "3D glasses are a deal killer for the US mass market." If Disney wants to bet the farm on 3-D, the studio might take a lesson from the ancient, 1950s-era St. John Publications. St. John published the world's first 3-D comic book, which became a runaway best seller. So St. John immediately converted all its titles into 3-D format -- and the company died within a year when the 3-D fad ended. Unfortunately, most people regard 3-D movies as an initially exciting gimmick whose appeal wears off quickly, like the traveling circus that brings out the crowds for several days, but then leaves town a week later. It took 13 years (from 1955 to 1968) before color TVs outsold B&W models -- and by 2023, some form of comsumer-leve holographic may well be available. (If my prediction is wrong, and somebody wants to dig up this post 2 or 3 years from now and snicker at it, I'll be delighted. But I'm not holding my breath.) | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) Junior Member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Optoma 720p HD66 3d projector $699 USD March 2010 looks like it's compatible with field sequential DVD's from DVD player to composite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reoGMRkltAk DLP Link, nvidia 3d vision compatible at CES 2010 > > Just for fun, the HD66 on the floor at CES was hooked in composite NTSC > > to a DVD player with spy kids 3D. > > Yes... > > And the upscaling from 640x240 to 720p was good enough for most people > > not even notice it ! > > May even be 640x130 if the 1.85 is letterbox. > > It took me the trouble to look at the projector's connectors to realize it. > > Don't tell my mom, she believe I'm a motion picture expert. > > > > The good news is... if the HD66 is retro-compatible even to analog field > > alternative 3D, it's likely to be compatible with all digital flavors of > > 3D too. | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Ha Ha...I must have watched that Spy Kids race sequence about a hundred times!! It's one of the best 3D demos that I've seen on my setup... Stereoscopic Player plays the DVD at 720 x 480 resolution in page flip mode. I have the PC connected via a PC VGA dongle and shutter glasses and watch it upscaled to 800 x 600 native resolution on the Infocus X1 projector on a 76" screen. Even though my setup isn't HD, it still looks great, I'm very happy watching 3D on it and really just want to see more content available. I don't think I'll be upgrading any time soon. Gae M (Message edited by Gae on January 17, 2010) | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) Junior Member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Apparently the glasses for DLP-Link are as expensive as the projector. Also I read the 3d vision setup drivers don't recognize the Optoma 3d projector yet. | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 183 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Widespread acceptance of 3-D television (meaning a profitable bottom line for the manufacturers) may have to wait for the development of a practical consumer-level technology which doesn't require any type of glasses. I am starting to believe this more and more. I hear howard stern complaining about how too much is going 3D at theaters. I had a film class this past winter and everyone was nay-saying 3D for home theater, saying it's too distracting and they don't need that for home TV viewing (imagine, this attitude in a class of those interested in film/tv production!). Many of us that MIGHT have considered taking the leap with a new TV and new blu-ray player have already dumped the cash on DLP TVs, projectors, high-end media PCs and whatnot. I have been having a feeling the last few weeks since the blu-ray announcements that this 3D HDTV/BluRay stuff may indeed just be a passing fad...only those of us obsessed with 3D seem to care... But in any event, has anyone heard if stereoscopic player will handle the new blu-ray format? In other words, is there a SOFTWARE fix for my problem of having a 3D DLP television and not being able to view blu-ray 3D content on it? I heard mitsubishi was putting out an adapter for their DLP sets to play blu-ray 3D, but nothing forthcoming from Samsung.... | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Advanced Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Rrrrob, Don't ever let the opinion of insiders choose a business plan. I work for Ford, and for 30 years, the insiders, the trade magazines, the car guys, etc. have always loved perfomance. They love the Ford GT at $140K each, but they don't buy it themself. They love the Shelby GT at $50K, but don't buy it themselves. To hear them, you can't have too much performance. Even the top guy at Consumer Reports will tell you that although Ford is leading in quality (which people who buy DO care about) that we trail GM in performance. Consumers who have to pay for it care about economy and quality. What does that have to do with 3D? Your production class is a lot like all the gear heads; they don't like 'frills' like Sync or plug-in hybrids. They prefer that no one bother as it does nothing for them. But consumers seem to like Sync (we have sold 1,000,000 Sync equiped cars so far) and sold hybirds (not plug-in until next year) for 7 years. Someone is buying this. Consumers seem to like 3D. I think How To Train Your Dragon will break all the records, and the records right now are all already 3D. Could that change? Sure, if someone trys to kill it. Just don't jump off the bandwagon too fast either. | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) Junior Member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 34 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Rrrob Powerdvd 10 Ultra 3d supports HDTV DLP but the trial currently only supports 2d to 3d via field shift of DVD's only. They are offering a free upgrade to registered users to support 3d Blurays in the USA Summer. Stereoscopic Player has to pay a 10,000 dollar fee to license to do 3d Bluray properly. | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 184 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
thanks for the input guys...but it is mostly non-3D people that I hear saying they do NOT want 3D at home. I don't get it, but then again, amongst my friends, no one really cares to watch anything 3D...when I first got my DLP stuff together, I was quite amazed at how UNinterested everyone seemed to be (same with the pinball machines I have--not too many people can even be bothered to go into the game room to even look at them!)...either you are REALLY into 3D or you could care less...and those REALLY into it seem few and far between, even though on the internet it SEEMS like there is an army of us! But I don't plan to jump off the bandwagon just yet! By the way, LOVE my Sync system, although it often screws up when I am using the voice activation to dial someone via my cellphone/blue tooth connection with it: Me: "Call Mom" Sync: "Calling Myron" Other than that, I do love it, though...especially the USB port for my thumb drive for music playback! P.S.: Why would SP have to pay $10,000 to play a file format? Did Wimmer have to pay for DVD playback? Won't the codec be available as open source (if not already)? | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) Junior Member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
That's if Peter Wimmer wants to build in full fledged Bluray Player support. The Codec isn't the problem but programming to handle the Bluray menu system is apparently a nightmare. Who offers a free 2d Player program even now? I think you have to pay the Bluray Association a licensing fee. | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Advanced Member Username: Charles Post Number: 86 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Rrrob: DVD technology is patented, and a licensing fee is required to produce a video player with built-in DVD decoders -- which is why Wimmer's Player doesn't include them. (His program requires a third-party MPEG-2 decoder for DVD playback.) Since standard DVDs are now old technology, you can find free DVD decoders all over the Internet. Blu-Ray is currently the "big thing," so its licensing doesn't come cheap. You can bet PowerDVD paid a bundle for it. | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 185 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
ah, thanks for clearing that all up!} | ||
| Chris Cowie (Chrisc007) New member Username: Chrisc007 Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2007 Rating: N/A |
My word Rrrob, not only a 3D enthusiast, but a pinball one too - now we really are few and far between ;) What machines do you have? I've had to get rid of mine and only have Hook left (which is the wife's). Used to have MA, CFTBL, CBW, SJ and a few others I can't remember. Oh, and by the way, before anyone complains, CFTBL was "in 3D" so it's not entirely off topic! | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 186 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Hehe...I have seen that CFTBL machine at an arcade machine shop near me...too expensive for MY budget, though! I have mostly 1970s machines: Far Out (1974 EM), Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1978--solid state), Triple Action (1974 EM), Rock (1986 SS) and Evel Kneivel (1977, SS home version), and a slot machine a friend needed to unload but which I never play with! I actually have some 3D pics of my machines, so again, not off topic! ;) | ||
| Lane LastNamePrivate (Vrjunkie) New member Username: Vrjunkie Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2007 Rating: N/A |
I have a CFTBL machine that I have restored in my game room - I really LOVE it. Made my own custom topper with a Creature toy, 3d glasses, wall tin, etc. I at first wanted a Indianna Jones - I'm glad Creature was the first one I found a good price on. Sadly, there are no more decent Pinballs being made now. | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) Junior Member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Rrrob I got this reply from Peter Wimmer about 3d Bluray support. Remember though PowerDvd are going to offer hardware acceleration so maybe better. Dear Philip, Playing only the files without the menus will be the only way to play 3D Blu-ray disks in the Stereoscopic Player for the next few months. The licensing fees for the Blu-ray format are too high for small companies and the Java-based menu engine is too complex to be developed by a single developer. There is one problem with playing the m2ts files directly from disk: the files are encrypted. However, if you run AnyDVD HD in the background, it is already possible to play them with the Stereoscopic Player. You should also install the Haali Media Splitter, it allows you to select the audio track. For the 3D Blu-rays, a H.264 MVC decoder is required. Such a decoder is on my to-do list. The long-term goal is full-featured Blu-ray playback. But the legal and technical difficulties of the Blu-ray format prevent that it will happen quickly. Directly opening the m2ts files will of course always be possible. Best regards, Peter On Behalf Of Philip Heggie Subject: [3dtv] Stereoscopic Player Bluray Support Suggestion Hi Peter, is it possible for you to totally ignore the Bluray menu system and it's web features and just search for the main movie file by searching for the largest m2ts file. I'd prefer to watch the main movie which is most likely the only thing in 3d as the codec should detect the 3d features contained in that file. I hate going through all the extras to watch a movie. Selecting audio might be the main problem then. Why waste your time programming menus when all we really want to do is watch a 3d movie. Cheers Philip | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 187 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
very kewl--thanks for the info--it would be great to pull this off without having to buy a new TV!!!! | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) Junior Member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 38 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Also If you've got XP with a Bluray Player you can't browse Bluray Discs unless you install a disc reading driver installation called Toshiba UDF2.5 driver which I sent to Peter. Vista and Windows 7 work for Bluray Browsing out of the box. If you need the driver let me know. | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 188 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
kewl info...thanks! I have Vista and a blu-ray drive. Also, here's some more info for Samsung/Mistubishi 3D-ready DLP owners who may want to buy a standalone blu-ray player instead of using stereoscopic player via a PC: http://hdguru.com/legacy-samsung-3d-tv-owners-will-soon-be-able-to-view-3d-blu-ray-discs-and-3d-directv/1386/ | ||
| Gae M (Gae) Junior Member Username: Gae Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
What's happening with 3D Dvd's? Are we going to see Sensio 3D Dvd releases alongside Blu Ray 3D releases or are we expected to go Blu Ray if we want to see the latest 3D releases? At the moment I'm quite happy viewing 3D on my X1 at 1440 x 576 resolution, page flip mode in Stereoscopic Player. My graphics card couldn't cope with a higher resolution unless I switched to interlaced mode. I may end up buying a Blu Ray drive at least if it can work with Stereoscopic Player. Keep us posted guys! Gae P.S. Got so fed up with all this waiting around and the obvious high costs of upgrading that I've recently got into 2D to 3D conversions of favourite scenes from classic films. It's laborious but the results are pretty good. | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Advanced Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
I believe the Disney ($isney) business plan is to release 3D only in a premium Blu-Ray. The first two are Christmas Carol and Alice in Wonderland. The plan is that people who already bought the DVD (or Blu-Ray for those already released in Blu-Ray 2-D like say Meet the Robinsons) will upgrade. It is a proven technique for lower class DVD's from other companies. Example; Polar Express 2D DVD one year before the 3D release. Extra sales. I hope it works as it is good for everyone. | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) Member Username: Tone Post Number: 53 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
I finally got around to posting a full tutorial with code on converting anaglyphs to full color left-right stereoscopic. An open source implementation for AVISynth is included. Dump Those Silly Colored 3D Glasses VRtifacts.com | ||
| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 202 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
lotta work went into that...good job... | ||
| chenchen21621 (Chenchen21621) New member Username: Chenchen21621 Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
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| dok worm (Dokworm) New member Username: Dokworm Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2010 Rating: N/A |
Does anyone know if there is a way to create a field sequential Bluray? i.e. I want to make a bluray disc that works like the old field sequential 3D DVDs. I have the two 1080P 24fps streams (left and right files) and want to make them into a field sequential file, and then create a bluray that will play back in standard bluray players at 1080i. I can create the interlaced file, but is it possible to make a bluray disc from that without mangling the fields and losing the 3D? | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 138 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
OK, I'm not sure where this is going. I'm going to assume you have sssume you have 'old style' 3D shutter glasses, made for 480i (NTSC) field sequential DVD's or VHS tapes, and want to see if you can make them work at 1080i? Is that right? To do that, you have to send a sync pulse to the transmitter of the glasses. That is doable, and I do intend to do it. Second, don't think in terms of a 'Blu-Ray' (although it's possble in concept); it's a file. You should do this from a file server of some sort. I would use 1080i from DIVX or somthing like that. | ||
| Christoph Bungert (Admin) Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 53 Registered: 4-2006  Rating: N/A |
For which output device would this 1080i field sequential video for standard BR-player be good? For some analogue CRT HD-TV via analogue output? HMD? | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 140 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Some CRT's and some DLP's would work. | ||
| Christoph Bungert (Admin) Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 54 Registered: 4-2006 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Larry. Well, HD-CRT-TV and DLP-TV (and back-projection in general) never really reached the european market. | ||
| dok worm (Dokworm) New member Username: Dokworm Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2010 Rating: N/A |
Larry, the old style glasses I have trigger just fine from the green component lead, I guess it still has a recognisable sync pulse for the glasses controller to work with. Sure I can just make a file, but I'd rather make a bluray or AVCHD disc that I can just put in the player and hit the play button. It would open up hidef 3D to anyone that has the old field sequential gear and a bluray player. | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 143 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
That's even better (for me). Can you make a HD DIVX? Many players already recognize them. http://www.divx.com/en/software/divx-plus . Just leave it as interlaced, I think it is still an option. The only question is whether any particular player will de-interlace. It's even possible it will do 30 full frames (not fields) per second on some DLP's. That will give you the best of the new too. I just haven't tried it yet. | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 145 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Let's talk some about some general standards and see what might be possible. I think we can create a 'general standard' that could work in Europe and North America. First, although 720i was a standard, it was never implemented that I can tell at all. The 1080i CRT's probably would work fine, but I don't think there would be any interest, so let's talk something that has some real support. Most DLP's and other large screen HD TV's support 60Hz full frame in monitor mode; I know mine does, and all the others I have spent time with. You can check this in the nVidia settings. OK, how would this be; 30Hz field sequential as an Above/Below file? Since you can control the resolution of the file (assuming the source is a ripped Blu-Ray using DVD Fab 8) you can set to full height 720P above/below, which really yields a double height 720P, but only one sync pulse per frame. You can choose at ripping which field goes first to match the sync. Now we have a file to play off a computer. If this works reliably, we can talk about what the blu-ray format will have to be made as. I don't want to try the blu-ray file until I know what a generic TV will do. This allows anyone with a 60Hz TV to do 3D with old (cheap) TV shutterglasses. I have everything to do this (I think) and would give it a whirl. Anyone else game? | ||
| dok worm (Dokworm) New member Username: Dokworm Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2010 Rating: N/A |
I'd certainly give it a whirl. But I'm not sure exactly what the output would look like in the file. Could you post a 'still image' mockup to show what you mean? | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 146 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
OK. Attached is a jpg screen dump of the DVDFab 8 rip of the Road Runner movie on the new Yogi Bear 3D Blu-Ray. It's set up as a 720P (for convenience) in above below 24 frames per second. Each 'frame' is really a double height frame; the hope is since the file will be sent out as 24 of these double height frames at 24 Hz, the TV (which can sync at up to 60 Hz) will take the top 'half' frame first, than the bottom half frame 1/48 of a second later. I could of course set the times at 1/30 (1/60th top +1/60th bottom) just as easily. The poor TV will still only get one sync every super frame, and the glasses should be happy. I think I can make my computer send that out, but I have no idea (yet) how to set up a blu-ray or dvd to do that. Anyway, that's the idea. Please feel free to shoot it down before I waste time on it, if you think it's merritless.  | ||
| dok worm (Dokworm) New member Username: Dokworm Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2010 Rating: N/A |
Ah, that picture makes the file structure perfectly clear. Thanks! So somehow you are injecting a sync pulse halfway through the frame? I made a sync doubler circuit that will do that, but I'm not sure how you would do it without software. I think I am missing something conceptually, I'm not sure why the TV would interperate the double resolution above/below frame as two sequential frames. Couldn't you just make a normal frame sequential file at 48fps and play that back? i.e. the file would be frame 1 (lefteyeframe1) frame 2 (righteyeframe1) frame 3 (lefteyeframe2) frame 4 (righteyeframe2) etc. | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 147 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
The sync pulse could be before or at the mid-point, you can put whichever 'field' on top in software. You only need one sync (in fact I don't want a second one) as the TV will strain it's poor little heart out to show every line; all 1440 in my example. It can only put out 720 before it does a re-trace 1/60 second later... sort of like rolling a picture in double size. The TV intreprets it wrong... which is exactly what I want! Yes, I have to find out what black space is required above and below each 'field' to match the TV scan. Yes, certainly you can do field sequential... A/B fields and all the half resolution and flicker you have with the old 3D DVD's. Is that what you are describing? | ||
| dok worm (Dokworm) New member Username: Dokworm Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2010 Rating: N/A |
Ah I see, I assumed the TV would lose sync without a second pulse and would cause the image to roll or be unstable, but your method is certainly worth a try, it might work. I wasn't describing field sequential, I meant frame sequential, so you just have a 48 frames per second file, where every even frame is the left eye, and every odd frame is the right eye. So the TV would display a complete frame of the left eye, then a complete frame of the right eye and so forth, delivering 24 complete frames to each eye per second (a total of 48 frames per second). Just on that though, can DVDFAB create standard field sequential 3D DVDs from 3DBDs? For people on old standard definition CRT televisions, at least it would widen their available 3D movie selection. | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 148 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
DVDFAB does not to the older field sequential; only side-by-side and above-below. I have requested it for a future version. | ||
| dok worm (Dokworm) New member Username: Dokworm Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2010 Rating: N/A |
I guess it would be easy enough if you had an above below to use avisynth to create a field sequential title. | ||
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