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     brett david smith (Starchaser) New member Username: Starchaser Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Lately i've noticed a number of anaglyph transfers of 80's 3D films showing up on ebay. Films like 'Friday the 13th part 3', 'Starchaser', 'Metalstorm', 'Parasite', 'Jaws 3D' and 'Venus'. I was impressed enough with the screen caps from 'Starchaser' and 'Friday' that i went ahead and bought them. They'll arrive next week. Don't get me wrong i will always prefer the field sequential versions. I was wondering if anyone knows who is responsible for these transfers. Is it Dimension 3 or another company? Is it possible someone is using the field sequential versions to make these transfers? Just curious. Thanks. | |||
| Greg Kintz (Gregk) New member Username: Gregk Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
>> Is it possible someone is using the field sequential versions to make these transfers? << Yes.. Meaning they are also illegal bootleg versions. | |||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) New member Username: Charles Post Number: 19 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Starchaser: NONE of the 3-D theatrical movies from the 1950s through the 1980s have ever been officially released in field sequential format on commerical DVDs. The studios who own the rights to these films consider that niche market to be too small to be profitable. However, all the titles which you have listed (except for "Parasite") were legally released in Japan in the 1980s in field sequential format on the old VHD discs, a large disc format which was never sold in America. The best-quality pirated field sequential DVD-Rs are direct transfers from those VHD discs -- but are 100% illegal, and so are any anaglyph versions made from them. To my knowledge, the only anaglyph versions of any 1950s - 1980s movies legally released for home video were the VHS tape versions of "Creature from the Black Lagoon" and "It Came from Outer Space", and the anaglyph commercial DVD version of "Comin' at Ya!" | |||
| brett david smith (Starchaser) New member Username: Starchaser Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Yes, i am aware these are bootlegs and i'm fine with that. I just wish the studios would commission a limited pressing (say 1000 to 3000 discs) of anaglyph and/or field sequential tranfers to test the market. If it sells out, make another pressing of the same amount and so on. This would crush the bootleggers and open the door for more official transfers. It would just need someone with the pull and cajones to do it. BTW, all of my field sequential 3D VHS tapes were purchased from the 3D TV Corp. who got the rights (for a limited period) from the studios to sell these tapes in the US and elsewhere. While not mainstream commercial releases, they were still approved by the copyright holders of these films. Let's not also forget Rhino's anaglyph DVD of 'The Bubble'. They were responsible for the "anaglyph commercial DVD version of "Comin' at Ya!" as well. | |||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Creature of the Black Lagoon and It Came from Outerspace will officially be released in field sequential HQFS fairly soon by Sensio. and will be sold by cwonline.com | |||
| Greg Kintz (Gregk) New member Username: Gregk Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
I know Sensio has released some of their previous titles in HQFS along with their own Sensio format, but is there direct confirmation the upcoming Universal titles will be in HQFS along with the Sensio versions? | |||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
http://www.sensio.tv/en/home_theater/3d_dvd/soon/default.3d Yes they will release in HQFS like Sharkboy and Lavagirl and Spy Kids 3d you can bet on it. | |||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) New member Username: Charles Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
This is welcome news to collectors of those old theatrical 3-D movies! I hope that Sensio is careful about using the highest quality masters of these films that are still available, and takes the time / expense for color correction, etc. Now, if Sensio could just work out a deal with Warner Brothers for "House of Wax"... | |||
| Michal Husak (Husakm) Member Username: Husakm Post Number: 60 Registered: 4-2006  Rating: N/A |
What is HQFS ? I hope they do not mean HQ = Hig Quality = 1/2 NTSC interlaced format .... I hope they will rellese HD DVD with the movies with 1/2 HDTV per eye resolution and they scan all the new movies keeping this format in the mind .... | |||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Yeah believe it or not it means High Quality Field Sequential NTSC. | |||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) New member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
I know of no 3-D HD DVD or Blue-Ray DVD at this point. Everyone is afraid that one of the two formats will not survive. Small companies are afraid to enter. Next year a chipset will exist allowing a player with blue laser to read both Blue-Ray and HD DVD. Until players are built with that chipset, consumers are tending to stay away in droves. At the moment, the best you can do is field sequential and/or Sensio, but there may be line doublers that will work off each field sequentially, then do a 1080i upconversion. My Zenith DVB612 will NOT, at least it doesn't seem to; it seems to do a progrssive scan conversion than the 1080i upconversion. If anyone knows a trick to set it up, let me know. Pity, as that would be pretty good. More than House of Wax, I would like to see Kiss Me Kate, or even closer to home, the just released Ant Bully, Monster House or Open Season in 3D format of any kind! | |||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Junior Member Username: Charles Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Michal: As Philip points out, "HQFS" is just advertising hype for standard (low) 1/2 NTSC resolution. It's unlikely that Sensio (or anyone else) is going to release commercial DVD 3-D movies any time soon in a format that isn't compatible with playback on a standard CRT television -- since that's still the method by which most of these DVDs are viewed. Since the best available source images for the 1950s movies are 50+ year old film masters, converting them to HDTV resolution would probably improve the final image only marginally -- and would make any defects in the original images even more prominent, unless whoever did the conversions spent the time and $$ to painstakingly remove those defects (and they won't for a niche market like FS 3D DVDs). Eventually the newer digital 3-D movies may be released in a true HD 3-D format, but that's not going to happen for awhile. | |||
| Lenny Zimmermann (Zarlor) New member Username: Zarlor Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2006 Rating: N/A |
I guess that all depends on how bad the masters are to begin with. There have been plenty of old movies transferred to HD already (and they look awesome). The old Voom satellite network had several movie channels pretty much dedicated to old movies that had been remastered in HD already, and we're not talking the true classics, either (although there were quite a few of those). So it's possible that an HD version of some of those movies could be fairly doable, especially once the market for HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray DVDs picks up. Of course getting a transfer of the stereo pair for those might be a whole other story, and if any remastering/touch-up is required then the expense of getting both sets to match up correctly may cause a problem in that arena and might, therefore, be too expensive to consider for such a relatively limited market. As for Larry's question, the only way I can think of to really get it to work is to connect your PC up and use your HDTV as, effectively, a monitor. Depending on what refresh rates the set supports you MIGHT be able to get it to work. It may take a bit of work to tweak things correctly, though, and using a driver or separate software program to handle custom resolutions (like EntechTiawan's PowerStrip) may be required as well. It's not necessarily something I'd recommends for a novice, but if you're pretty comfortable with computer tech it could be worth looking into. I was certainly able to get it working on my old Zenith IQB64W10W in 1080i (just remember that as far as the set is concerned 1080i is the same rate as 540p and you have a progressive scan resolution to work with. ;)) | |||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) New member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
That's the whole point of an upconverting DVD player; you use line doubling and a Faroja (spelling...) chip to upconvert 540i to 1080i. The Zenith DVB612 can do just that. The problem is, I think it's doing a 540i to 540p THAN converting the 540p to 1080i... but the stereo is lost in the 540i to 540p conversion. This isn't the sort of thing their manual covers and tech support hasn't got a clue. I want 540i to 1080i direct. You are still stuck at 60 fields and 30 frams per second, but most of the theatrical stuff 24 frames per second, with perhaps a double flash or triple for 3D, so you are not much worse. | |||
| Lenny Zimmermann (Zarlor) New member Username: Zarlor Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2006 Rating: N/A |
Yeah, but a PC gives you the direct control over the resolutions you are using and how the scaling occurs, unlike the Faroudja chip. That's what allowed me to find that sweet spot that would work for me. It may still not work for you, though, especially since DVDs are not in a 540i (or p) format, but 480. So you have a disconnect in scaling that, depending on how you use something like Powerstrip to set up a 480-based resolution inside of a 540p/1080i resolution, might allow you to work around that. | |||
| Brian Johnson (Bryan123) New member Username: Bryan123 Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the info!
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| Rrrob (Rrrrob) Senior Member Username: Rrrrob Post Number: 204 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Creature of the Black Lagoon and It Came from Outerspace will officially be released in field sequential HQFS fairly soon by Sensio. and will be sold by cwonline.com nearly 3 1/2 years later, still no creature or outer space  I am thinking these are no longer planned for release... |
