| Author | Message | ||
     Brandon McGlaughn (Killigath) New member Username: Killigath Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
I am trying to view Spy Kids 3D (Sensio) using Peter Whimmer's Stereoscopic player. Using a windows XP machine hooked up to a 3D Samsung DLP. Finally got 3D working last night. Had to change an option File > Video Decoder Properties > Video Mode > Force Weave. 3D looks great except for scenes where you are supposed to get high pop out. In these cases I see a double image instead of the image coming out of the screen. Tried changing the horizontal parallax, but that just messed up the other (less pop-out) 3D effects. I have Input Layout set to Interlaced Right Line First. Output viewing method set to 3D Ready DLP-TV. I read on 3dtv.at that Sensio must be set to "Side by Side-Left Image first" and check the Interlaced video box. When I do this, I only see the right 1/2 of the video image. It looks like the image was cut and squashed. Any Ideas on how to fix this? | ||
| Chris Cowie (Chrisc007) New member Username: Chrisc007 Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2007 Rating: N/A |
Hi Brandon, is the PC hooked up to a monitor at the same time? If so, make sure you are on "dual view" and have the output to the DLP TV set to 120Hz. If you are just using the TV then make sure you have the refresh rate set at 120Hz. Layout MUST be set to side by side. If this isn't working, try changing the viewing method to software pageflipped. | ||
| Brandon McGlaughn (Killigath) New member Username: Killigath Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
I actually got it working last night. It works using Interlaced Left Line first, not side by side-left. When I try SbS-Left, it cuts off 1/2 the image. PC and DLP TV are set to clone view in nivida settings. There is also no option to change the DLP to 120hz. It's 60hz only. ------------------------------------------------- For anyone that has this problem in the furture... Here are my working settings: File > Video Decoder Properties > Video Mode > Change to "Force Weave" ** The above option is only necessary if you use Cyberlink PowerDVD decoder ** Layout (Input) - Set to Interlaced - LEFT Line First Viewing Method (output) - 3D Ready DLP-TV (or whatever you ususally set it to) | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Hmmm, I have tried these various settings and all I get is a "pseudo 3D" effect. By that I mean there is little "depth-of-field" but the image looks a little rounder and 3 dimensional. Is this how field sequential 3D should look or should it have the same "depth of field" and "pop out" effect as anaglyph but with the full colour? Personally, I love the depth of the anaglyph 3D and dont mind the loss of colour too much. I do get eyestrain and headaches though when the parallax is way out. I'm not a big fan of the "flicker" of field-sequential either. So my question once more. If everything is set-up correctly, should the 3D of field sequential be as eye-popping and deep as anaglyph or is it a totally different type of 3D look? Thanks Gae | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Intermediate Member Username: Charles Post Number: 67 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Gae M: When configured correctly, the depth of field and out-of-screen effects are identical for stereoscopic field-sequential images and for anaglyph images. | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
"Gae M: When configured correctly, the depth of field and out-of-screen effects are identical for stereoscopic field-sequential images and for anaglyph images." I must be doing something wrong then. The problem is, I don't know what.  I've followed the various guides, used dual view setting for tv and pc, set it to Interlaced, over/under etc etc. I get the flicker when I switch the synchronisation box on so it's definately synchronised, but I don't get the 3D stereo effect. I have a Geforce 8400 GS card with updated nVidia driver too (showing the various 3D game settings etc) but when I click the "nvidia stereo driver" option in "preferred view" in Stereoscopic player, it crashes in full screen.  One day I will get it working I'm pretty sure...I just need to keep trying some new ideas I guess. It's at least nice to know that the shutter glasses weren't a complete waste of money then. Gae | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Intermediate Member Username: Charles Post Number: 68 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Gae M: I don't know the details of your system setup, so I can't give specific advice, but here's something simple to rule out: Make certain that you don't have the polarity of the images reversed, causing the R/L images to be switched in the shutter glasses. Some people notice reversed polarity instantly as a jarring visual error, but other peple describe only a vague, "something is wrong" impression like the "pseudo 3D" that you mention. (A quick way to see how your brain interprets reversed polarity is to reverse your color-coded glasses while viewing an anglyph.) | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Duh, I think I know what I have done. I've never downloaded or installed a 3D stereo driver for my graphics card. I never realised you needed one...doh! Hopefully that might fix the problem. My graphics card driver version is 169.21 but I dont seem to be able to find the corresponding number of 3D stereo driver. The closest I've found is 162.50. I'm gonna do a system restore and try to install this 3D stereo driver using a guide I found. Wish me luck. Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Gae P.S. I'm running WinXP not Vista so am I correct in assuming that I can't use the latest driver version 174.76? (Message edited by gae on November 23, 2008) | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
I'm not having any luck so far. I'm using this http://www.3d.wep.dk/driverguide.html as a guide and have everything ready to go but as soon as I click "Test 3D" the screen goes black, blue screen of death appears briefly and the computer restarts with the "the system has just recovered from a serious problem" message. Interestingly there was no entry "SedonaDisable"=dword:00000000" in the registry to edit. I'm running out of ideas and thinking of doing a system restore and going back to my original drivers, then trying the Legacy 3D stereo drivers instead. Darn it. Any ideas? (Message edited by gae on November 23, 2008) | ||
| Dana Tow (Dtow) New member Username: Dtow Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
It sounds to me like the proper drivers are not installed correctly.... | ||
| Brandon McGlaughn (Killigath) New member Username: Killigath Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
Windows XP does not work with the latest Nvidia drivers. In general the Nvidia driver have not worked properly on any card since that 7900GT. To get stereo3D in games check out IZ3D's drivers. You need to disable nvidia stereo before trying them. For more information on gaming and help go to www.mtbs3d.com they have tons of info that should help you. For movies, you don't need a driver. Just a proper player like Peter Whimmer's Stereoscopic player | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
For movies, you don't need a driver. Just a proper player like Peter Whimmer's Stereoscopic player I'm so confused with all this. Are you saying that you can watch "field sequential" films purely with stereoscopic player and no need for stereo drivers? How exactly? Surely you still need to use the shutter glasses and synch them to a CRT in some way with either a proper display or stereo drivers of some sort? Do you mean that you can watch "field sequential" converted to anaglyph using Steroscopic player on it's own? I have been using the stereoscopic player with anaglyph clips as you can use the different anaglyph setups to suit each version. Anyway, no matter now because I have finally had success. I used my older comp which has a Geforce FX5500 card and followed e-dimensional's guide to setting it up using nVidia drivers firmware 162.50 with the same number 3D stereo driver and after a few attempts at installing and uninstalling I can now play "field sequential" movies perfectly on my 27" CRT using dual view and stereoscopic player utilising the "nVidia Stereo driver" option. Spy Kid's 3D looks stunning....full colour and superb depth of 3D that also pops off the screen. Much better than the anaglyph version and you get used to the flickering after a while. It's only more noticeable on the lighter scenes at least. Even "Jaws 3D" looks great now and the 3D almost makes it a half way decent film. After a day and a half of struggling with various installations and crashes etc etc, I'm now currently one happy bunny. My nVidia profile named "3D on panny CRT" is well and truly saved! Gae (Message edited by gae on November 25, 2008) | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Intermediate Member Username: Charles Post Number: 69 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Gae: You are correct that separate stereoscopic graphics drivers are needed to synchronize the shutter glasses. Concerning the annoying flicker: Depending on the capability of your CRT monitor and graphics card, you MAY be able to increase the monitor's refresh rate and reduce or even eliminate the visible flickering. (Try this using the Windows "Display Properties" menus.) If you can get a refresh rate of 100 Hz, most people don't notice any flicker. Even 85 Hz is a big improvement over 60 Hz.) | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Concerning the annoying flicker: Depending on the capability of your CRT monitor and graphics card, you MAY be able to increase the monitor's refresh rate and reduce or even eliminate the visible flickering. (Try this using the Windows "Display Properties" menus.) If you can get a refresh rate of 100 Hz, most people don't notice any flicker. Even 85 Hz is a big improvement over 60 Hz.) Yes...I must experiment some time. I'm just currently very happy that I've finally had success and just enjoying actually watching some 3D movies for the time being. I dont actually use my monitor to watch the 3D. At the moment I am viewing them on an old CRT TV in dual mode. Stereoscopic viewer switches the display over to the TV in "full screen playback" mode when the nVidia stereo driver kicks in. I do know that my computer screen has various refresh rate options that go to about 240Hz but the TV mode only shows the 60Hz option. I may try clone mode and see if it accepts a higher refresh rate for the TV too. I'm pretty certain I've already tried it along the way. The problem is that I have my TV in another room (lol) so its difficult to view the other screen while fiddling about. I just need to work out a way where I can somehow force the computer refresh rates over to the TV display maybe in clone mode. It's all so confusing to my pee-sized brain lol but I'm happy to get the 3D that I am currently getting after so much effort. Another advantage for me is that the shutter glasses don't bother my eyes at all whereas watching anaglyph stuff has given me red-eye and headaches. } Gae (Message edited by gae on November 25, 2008) | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Intermediate Member Username: Charles Post Number: 70 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Gae: Glad you finally got everything working. Don't waste time trying to change the refresh rate of your old CRT television. It's hard-wired at the NTSC frequency of 60 Hz. | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Charles. One query though. I'm assuming that my monitor is a CRT type, so I don't understand why I cant get to view the 3D over it when in primary mode. Is it because it is connected via VGA? It would be so much easier for me to have the shutter glasses working with this monitor rather than having to set up the cables to extend to another room etc. The type I have is a 16" AOC Spectrum Monitor. When I play 3D via it, it looks 3D-ish, but everything is really wobbly and has too much seperation. I just had a thought. I've set the nVidia stereo driver for a 19" monitor...could it be that? Who knows. I'm just thinking out loud. Is there any way to get 3D over the CRT monitor? Gae | ||
| Brandon McGlaughn (Killigath) New member Username: Killigath Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
Gae M, It would help us tremendously if you will post the brand and model of each of your monitors, shutter glasses type, and connection methods. Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes. No graphics drivers are needed to watch any "field sequential" movie using PW Stereoscopic player. You just have to have an output solution that is supported by the player. What kind of shutter glasses are you using? Wired? All you have to do is start the movie, change output mode to whatever your glasses support. I have no experience with wired glasses, so you may have to turn on some program that tells your glasses to sync. I own a DLP that supports 3D. All I have to do is open the player, set output to DLP (3d checkerboard) and turn on 3D mode on my TV. NO DRIVERS NEEDED!. Drivers are for video games only. | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Intermediate Member Username: Charles Post Number: 71 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Brandon: You don't need a separate stereo video driver using Peter Wimmer's Stereoscopic Player with a 3-D ready DLP television, but all of the player's field-sequential output options for a standard (non-interlaced) CRT monitor require a separate stereo graphics driver (such as nVidia's comsumer stereo driver or its professional Quadro OpenGL Stereo driver) to sequence the left-right images properly. This is true for ALL field-sequential stereo output to a non-interlaced computer CRT, whether you're viewing movies or playing games. Gae: As Brandon says, it's very difficult to give specific advice without knowing the details of your hardware and setup. If you get a proper 3-D image on your CRT television monitor (which is interlaced) but not on your computer CRT (which isn't interlaced, unless it's a VERY ancient model), it may be because your nVidia stereo driver isn't functioning. You don't need stereo drivers to watch field-sequential DVDs on a CRT television monitor, because all standard TV CRTs are interlaced and thus separate the left-right images automatically. (But you do need to loop the glasses with the input to the TV so they will synch correctly.) | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the replies. I am using a CRT TV that is why I have to use the stereo drivers. I understand that 3D ready displays work via the stereoscopic player output display settings. Here is my setup. Basically I bought the "3D Ultimate Collection" box and so I am using the wired shutter glasses that came with the set. My TV is an old 27" CRT (working perfectly with the 3D) and my monitor is showing up as a CRT AOC Spectrum 7V in the nVidia Control Panel but only as "Default Monitor" in the hardware settings. Actually, looking at it now, there are 3 monitors showing in the hardware properties window...2 x default monitor and 1 plug and play monitor. I'm assuming that it is picking up the s-video output to the TV? Maybe there is a conflict I need to sort out to get my monitor playing properly. I'll investigate. I also have both an LCD Samsung TV and Panasonic AE-9000 projector both of which, of course, can't play 3D. For now I'll stick with my TV output and maybe connect it to a portable TV to save the hassle with wires across the living room floor etc. Out of curiosity, are ther any slimline CRT monitors on the market that would support 3D? I dont want to spend too much if I upgrade. Gae | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Do you have a PC Dongle and glasses like? http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/noname9.html You won't get 3d properly on your CRT Monitor without one | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
Looks like a bargain if it worked for me but at $40 international shipping...no thanks. I'll keep my eye out for these PC dongles though. Am I assuming right that they are purely signal converters? I still dont understand why my CRT monitor cant display 3D though. Is it purely a cable-type (VGA) connection problem? Would a video to vga adapter sort it out? | ||
| Philip Heggie (Pheggie) New member Username: Pheggie Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
The dongle causes the vga signal to pageflip you plug in the wired glasses to them the dongle provides the signal to switch on an off the wired glasses in sync with stereoscopic players playback making sure left and right views are shown consistently on the wired glasses. By setting a high refresh rate the 3d can be flickerless. | ||
| Charles Arrants (Charles) Intermediate Member Username: Charles Post Number: 72 Registered: 5-2006 Rating: N/A |
Gae: Boring but IMPORTANT technical info that you need to understand: The "Ultimate 3D Collection" setup that you bought was designed to work with a CRT TELEVISION and a standard DVD PLAYER...NOT with computers at all. That setup does NOT need a software stereoscopic player like Wimmer's (needs only a standard DVD player) and does NOT need any stereo graphics drivers. Its connections run a standard interlaced signal from the DVD player to the TV, and the TV (which displays interlaced signals by default), automatically displays the left-right images in correct sequence. The included "video synchronization box" that you connect to the input cables synchronizes the shutter glasses with the television display. FOR COMPUTER CRT VIEWING: Computer CRT monitors are NOT interlaced, so you will need 1) a software stereocopic player like Wimmer's, 2) a stereo graphics driver like nVidia's that works with Wimmer's player to create page-flipped (field-sequential) output, and 3) a VGA dongle that you connect to the VGA input cables from the computer to the monitor to synchronize the shutter glasses. If you don't have all three of these set up correctly, you won't get 3-D on your computer monitor. So you're going to have to buy a 3D VGA dongle if you want to see 3-D on your computer mmonitor. Look for a cheap used one on eBay. (You may have to settle for buying another kit that includes both the 3D VGA dongle and a pair of shutter glasses -- that's usually how they're sold.) | ||
| Gae M (Gae) New member Username: Gae Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2008 Rating: N/A |
The "Ultimate 3D Collection" setup that you bought was designed to work with a CRT TELEVISION and a standard DVD PLAYER...NOT with computers at all. That setup does NOT need a software stereoscopic player like Wimmer's (needs only a standard DVD player) and does NOT need any stereo graphics drivers. Its connections run a standard interlaced signal from the DVD player to the TV, and the TV (which displays interlaced signals by default), automatically displays the left-right images in correct sequence. The included "video synchronization box" that you connect to the input cables synchronizes the shutter glasses with the television display. I tried it with 2 dvd players into a CRT TV and neither worked. May have something to do with NTSC/PAL conversion problems? Now though, I am running it from my computer via Stereoscopic Player, dual view and nVidia stereo driver and the 3D is flawless. The same depth as anaglyph, but full colour and without giving me redeye. So you're going to have to buy a 3D VGA dongle if you want to see 3-D on your computer mmonitor. Look for a cheap used one on eBay. (You may have to settle for buying another kit that includes both the 3D VGA dongle and a pair of shutter glasses -- that's usually how they're sold.) Yes, I am in the process of ordering a PC dongle from Undergroundmovies.com along with some field sequential movies. Cheers Gae (Message edited by gae on November 26, 2008) |
